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S Corp Phantom Income Problem: Do I Need to Pay Myself Reasonable Compensation?

I'm the sole owner of an S Corporation that holds an ownership stake in a partnership. Just got hit with a K1 showing $126k in phantom income from that partnership this year, but they didn't distribute a single penny to my S Corp. Now I'm confused about whether I need to pay myself a "reasonable compensation" salary from my S Corp based on this phantom income. The big issues I'm facing: 1) My S Corp literally has no cash available to pay me a salary, and 2) The partnership completely ignores our operating agreement and never provides the financial reporting they're supposed to. I'm always in the dark about what income will be allocated to my S Corp until I get surprised with a K1 about 5 months after year-end. Is the IRS going to come after me if I don't figure out some way to pay myself a reasonable salary based on income my S Corp never actually received? Any advice from someone who's dealt with this nightmare before would be appreciated.

This is a classic case of phantom income in pass-through entities, and you're right to be concerned. The good news is that "reasonable compensation" requirements for S Corp owners typically apply to active business income that the S Corp generates itself, not necessarily to pass-through income from partnerships where your S Corp is just an investor. Since your S Corp is essentially acting as an investment vehicle in this partnership (rather than you providing services to generate that income), you likely don't need to pay yourself a salary specifically for this phantom income. The IRS is mainly concerned about S Corp owners avoiding payroll taxes by taking distributions instead of salary for work they personally perform for the S Corp. That said, you should absolutely document the situation thoroughly. Keep records showing the lack of distributions from the partnership and the absence of cash flow to your S Corp. If your S Corp has any other business activities where you're actively involved, you would still need reasonable compensation for those specific activities.

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But wait, doesn't the IRS look at the total income on the S Corp return regardless of source when determining if compensation is reasonable? I got audited a few years back and my accountant said I needed to consider ALL S Corp income. I'm confused now.

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The IRS primarily examines whether the S Corp owner is taking reasonable compensation for services they personally perform. The nature of the income matters significantly. For income that results from your personal labor or services - like if you're consulting, managing operations, or otherwise working in the business - you need appropriate compensation. For passive investment income flowing through from a partnership where you're not providing services, the reasonable compensation rules typically don't apply in the same way. The IRS is mainly concerned with preventing employment tax avoidance on income derived from your actual work, not on investment returns or allocations where you didn't provide services.

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Does taxr.ai help with the partnership reporting issues too? My LLC partners never give me the financial info they're supposed to until months after I need it for planning.

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I've seen lots of these AI tax tools pop up lately. How exactly does this one work with complex business structures? Does it just regurgitate general advice or actually provide personalized analysis?

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They can definitely help with partnership reporting issues. The system identifies what documentation you should be receiving and when, plus provides templates for requesting the information from your partners. This gives you a paper trail showing you've made reasonable attempts to get the information you need. Their analysis is personalized based on your specific business structure and documents you upload. It's not general advice - they analyze your actual K-1s, operating agreements, and other documents to provide guidance specific to your situation. It helped us understand exactly which streams of income required reasonable compensation and which didn't.

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How does this actually work though? The IRS never answers their phones no matter when I call. I've been hung up on multiple times after waiting for hours.

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Sorry, but this sounds too good to be true. I've literally called the IRS 15+ times this year about my S Corp issues and never got through. You're telling me this service somehow magically gets priority in the queue? I'm extremely skeptical.

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I need to eat my words and apologize to profile 15. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr anyway because I was desperate for answers about my S Corp's phantom income situation. I honestly couldn't believe it when I got a call back telling me an IRS agent was on the line. The agent confirmed that reasonable compensation requirements don't typically apply to phantom income that passes through from partnerships to an S Corp when no cash is distributed. She explained that the IRS focuses on compensation for services the owner actually performs in the business. She also suggested documenting the lack of distributions and sending formal written requests to the partnership for the reports they're supposed to provide, which creates a record of trying to comply in good faith.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you might want to review your partnership agreement to see if there are remedies for the reporting failures. My LLC had similar issues and we eventually had to threaten legal action to get the managing partner to provide timely financial reports. Your agreement likely has provisions about what information you're entitled to and when.

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Thanks for bringing this up. The partnership agreement definitely has reporting requirements (quarterly financials, annual projections, etc.), but enforcing them has been a nightmare. Did you have to actually file a lawsuit or did the threat work? I'm trying to avoid legal costs if possible since the S Corp has no cash.

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In our case, a strongly worded letter from an attorney citing the specific provisions of the operating agreement was enough to get compliance. We never had to actually file a lawsuit. The letter cost us about $750, but the managing partner started providing monthly financial updates after that. Your situation might be different depending on the relationship dynamics, but sometimes just showing you're serious about enforcing the agreement can make a difference. If your partnership agreement has an attorney fees provision for the prevailing party in disputes, you might even mention that in your communication to them.

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Have you considered restructuring your ownership? Instead of having your S Corp own the partnership interest, you could potentially own it personally or through a different entity structure that might avoid this phantom income/reasonable compensation conundrum.

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This could create a whole new set of problems though. Changing ownership structures mid-stream can trigger recognition of built-in gains and other tax issues. Definitely don't do this without thorough tax planning first.

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I went through almost the exact same situation two years ago with my S Corp receiving phantom income from a real estate partnership. The stress was unbelievable because I kept thinking the IRS would come after me for not paying myself a salary on income I never received. After consulting with a tax attorney, I learned that the key distinction is whether you're providing services to earn that income. In my case, like yours, the S Corp was just a passive investor in the partnership - I wasn't managing properties or providing any services to generate that income. The attorney explained that reasonable compensation requirements are specifically designed to prevent people from avoiding payroll taxes on income they earn through their labor, not on investment returns or allocations. What really helped my peace of mind was getting everything documented properly. I kept detailed records showing: 1) The partnership never made distributions, 2) My S Corp had no cash flow from this income, 3) I wasn't providing any services to the partnership, and 4) All my formal requests to the partnership for financial information (which they ignored). The documentation ended up being crucial because I did get a notice from the IRS about two years later (not an audit, just questions). Having all that paperwork ready made it easy to explain the situation, and they accepted my position without any issues. Don't let the stress eat you alive - just make sure you document everything thoroughly.

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This is incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through the process and had the IRS accept their position! Your documentation strategy sounds spot-on. Can I ask what specific language or format you used when making those formal requests to the partnership for financial information? I want to make sure I'm creating the right paper trail in case I need to defend my position later. Also, did you keep copies of all the unreturned calls and emails, or just focus on the written requests?

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For the formal requests, I used certified mail with return receipt and kept everything very professional and specific. I'd reference the exact sections of our operating agreement that required the reporting, include specific deadlines, and always copy all other partners. Something like: "Pursuant to Section 4.3 of our Operating Agreement dated [date], [Partnership Name] is required to provide quarterly financial statements within 30 days of quarter end. As of [date], we have not received the Q1 2023 financials that were due on April 30, 2023. Please provide these documents within 10 business days." I did keep copies of emails and phone logs too, but the certified mail requests were the most important for creating a defensible paper trail. The IRS agent who reviewed my case specifically mentioned that the certified mail receipts showed I was making good faith efforts to get the information I needed for proper tax compliance. Make sure every request is dated, specific about what you're asking for, and references your partnership agreement. This creates a clear timeline showing you're trying to fulfill your tax obligations despite your partners' non-compliance.

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