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Luca Conti

Refinance in Partnership - Debt Financed Distribution Questions for Tax Purposes

My partner and I have been running a small business (LLC partnership) for about 4 years now. We're considering refinancing our commercial property to get a better rate and pull out some equity. Our plan is to place the refinanced funds (about $175K) into a separate bank account and use it exclusively for our ongoing operational expenses. At the same time, we want to set up another account where all our gross income would go, and we'd use that money for partner distributions. Our accountant mentioned something about "debt financed distributions" and "interest tracing rules," but honestly I didn't fully understand the tax implications. Would our refinance plan trigger these rules? Are there tax consequences we should be aware of? I'm concerned about how the interest deductions would work in this scenario. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Nia Johnson

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What you're describing touches on some important partnership tax concepts. Let me break this down into simpler terms. When you refinance and take cash out, the IRS is very interested in what you do with that money. If you use the refinanced funds for legitimate business expenses (inventory, payroll, equipment, etc.), then the interest on that portion of the loan remains fully deductible as a business expense. However, the "debt financed distribution" rules come into play when partnership debt is used to fund distributions to partners. The interest tracing rules would then determine if the interest is deductible and what type of interest it is (business, investment, personal). Based on your description, you're planning to use the refinanced funds for operating expenses, which generally keeps the interest deductible as a business expense. But by setting up separate accounts and earmarking certain funds for distributions, you might be creating a situation where the IRS could view the refinance as partially funding those distributions. My advice: Document everything clearly. Make sure you can demonstrate that the refinanced funds were actually used for business operations and that distributions came from actual business income, not the refinanced proceeds.

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Luca Conti

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Thank you for that explanation, it makes much more sense now. So if I understand correctly, as long as we can clearly document that the refinanced funds were used for legitimate business expenses and not distributions, we should be okay? What kind of documentation would be best to show the separation of these funds?

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Nia Johnson

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You're exactly right - documentation is key here. Keep detailed records of all business expenses paid from the refinanced funds account. This means maintaining a clear paper trail of invoices, receipts, and expense categorizations that tie directly to those account withdrawals. For the separate income account used for distributions, keep clear records of all revenue deposits and partnership distribution withdrawals. Maintain meeting minutes or written partnership agreements documenting your distribution policies. It's also helpful to have a significant time gap between receiving the refinanced funds and making partner distributions, which strengthens your case that they're unrelated transactions.

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CyberNinja

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Mateo Lopez

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That's interesting. Did it actually help with the specific issue of keeping the refinance separate from distributions? My CPA keeps giving me vague answers about this.

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CyberNinja

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Ethan Davis

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Carmen Ortiz

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - the timing between your refinance and when you make partner distributions is SUPER important. In my experience as a small business owner, if you make distributions too soon after the refinance, the IRS will almost certainly connect the dots even if you use separate accounts. We waited a full 6 months between our refinance and resuming regular partner distributions, and we documented like crazy how every dollar of the refinanced funds went to legitimate business expenses. This approach worked for us during a random audit - the IRS accepted our interest deductions without question.

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Luca Conti

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That's really helpful insight about the timing! Is 6 months kind of the standard timeframe they look for? And did you do anything special with your documentation beyond normal business expense receipts?

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Carmen Ortiz

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There's no official "safe" timeframe, but in my experience, 6 months gives you enough separation to show these are truly independent financial decisions. Some tax pros recommend at least 90 days as a minimum, but longer is better. For documentation, we went beyond normal receipts. We created a specific tracking spreadsheet showing every dollar of refinanced funds and exactly which business expense it covered. We also had formal minutes from partnership meetings documenting the business purpose of the refinance, separate from our regular distribution policy. Our accountant also recommended keeping a higher-than-normal cash reserve during this period to further demonstrate the refinance wasn't needed for distributions.

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MidnightRider

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Dont overthink this. Just refinance, put money in biz account, use for expenses. then use ur income for distributions. As long as u keep good books ur fine. My partnerships been doing this for years no problem.

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Andre Laurent

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This is dangerously oversimplified advice. The IRS specifically looks at economic substance in these transactions, not just accounting form. I've seen partnerships get hit with huge tax bills because they didn't properly handle the interest tracing rules.

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Quick tip: Make sure your operating agreement specifically addresses how refinancing proceeds can be used. We updated ours to explicitly state that loan proceeds would be used for operating capital and business expansion, never for partner distributions. This documentation was incredibly helpful when we had questions from our tax preparer about our refinance last year.

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This is a really complex area that trips up a lot of partnerships. The key issue is that the IRS will look at the "substance over form" - meaning they care more about what actually happens with the money than how you label your accounts. A few critical points to consider: 1. **Interest tracing rules under Reg. 1.163-8T** - The IRS will trace where your loan proceeds actually go. If any portion can be linked to distributions (directly or indirectly), that portion of the interest may not be deductible as a business expense. 2. **The "fungible money" problem** - Even with separate accounts, money is considered fungible. If you refinance and then increase distributions shortly after, the IRS may view the refinance as facilitating those distributions. 3. **Safe harbor approach** - Consider using the loan proceeds exclusively for specific, documented business purchases (equipment, inventory, property improvements) rather than just general operating expenses. This creates a clearer paper trail. 4. **Partnership agreement language** - Make sure your operating agreement explicitly prohibits using loan proceeds for distributions and document this in board resolutions. The penalties for getting this wrong can be significant - you could lose business interest deductions and face reclassification issues. I'd strongly recommend getting a written opinion from a tax attorney who specializes in partnership taxation before proceeding with this structure.

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Zainab Ahmed

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive guidance I was hoping to find! The "substance over form" principle makes so much sense - it's not just about how we set up our accounts, but what the IRS can actually trace. Your point about the "fungible money" problem is particularly eye-opening. I hadn't considered that even with separate accounts, if we increase distributions after the refinance, it could still be seen as connected. The safe harbor approach you mentioned - using proceeds for specific documented purchases rather than general operating expenses - seems like a much cleaner strategy. Would something like purchasing new equipment or making property improvements with the refinanced funds be a stronger position than just using it for payroll and utilities? Also, getting a written tax attorney opinion sounds wise given the potential penalties. Do you have any recommendations for finding attorneys who specialize specifically in partnership taxation? This is definitely more complex than I initially realized.

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