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Angelica Smith

How does the LLC allocate this recourse debt for tax purposes?

Hey tax gurus, I'm in a bit of a situation with my real estate LLC. We just finalized a loan agreement for one of our commercial properties, but I'm confused about how we should allocate the recourse debt among the four partners. The agreement specifies that all members are personally liable for the debt, but two of us provided personal guarantees while the other two didn't. Does this change how we allocate the debt for tax basis purposes? I've heard conflicting advice about whether it should be split equally or based on who provided the guarantees. We're talking about a $875,000 loan here, so getting this right is pretty important for all our tax returns. Thanks!

The allocation of recourse debt in an LLC depends on who bears the "economic risk of loss" for that debt. When all members are personally liable according to the loan agreement, but only some provided personal guarantees, it gets a bit tricky. Generally, recourse debt increases the tax basis of those members who would be obligated to pay if the LLC couldn't. Since two members provided personal guarantees, they're first in line to cover the debt if things go south. So those two members would likely allocate the debt between themselves based on their guarantee arrangement. However, if the operating agreement specifies that all members share responsibility for debt regardless of who signed guarantees, that could change things. You might need to look at both documents together to determine proper allocation.

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This makes sense, but what if the loan agreement and operating agreement conflict? Our operating agreement says profits/losses are split 40/30/15/15, but the loan is guaranteed 50/50 by two partners. Which document takes precedence for debt allocation?

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The loan agreement and guarantees typically take precedence for determining economic risk of loss. The profit/loss percentages in your operating agreement are separate from debt allocation rules. If two partners each guaranteed 50% of the loan, they would generally each get 50% of the debt basis - regardless of their profit/loss percentages. The IRS looks at who would actually have to pay if the LLC defaulted on the loan. Those providing guarantees are assuming that risk, so they get the basis benefit.

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How accurate is this service for complex partnership stuff? Our CPA keeps giving us different answers every time we ask about debt allocation and it's frustrating.

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Does it handle all the documentation or do you need to already have a good idea of what you're looking for? I have similar issues but with several loans across multiple LLCs with different partner configurations.

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How does this actually work? I've always just assumed it's impossible to reach the IRS by phone so I've never even tried.

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Ella Lewis

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Ella Lewis

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I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since our LLC debt allocation issue was causing major disagreements between partners. Got connected to an IRS Business Division specialist in about 35 minutes. The agent actually pulled up the relevant sections of the partnership regulations and confirmed that when partners provide guarantees, they're the ones who get to include the debt in their basis - regardless of profit/loss percentages in the operating agreement. She even emailed me the specific regulatory citations afterward. Never would have gotten this level of clarity without actually speaking to someone who deals with these issues daily.

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Don't forget to check if your LLC's agreement has any specific language about debt guarantees and allocations. Ours had a special provision that said debt basis would be allocated according to capital contributions regardless of guarantees, which apparently overrides the default tax rules. Our tax attorney said this was enforceable as long as it had "substantial economic effect" under 704(b). Might be worth checking your docs for similar provisions.

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Our operating agreement doesn't have anything specific about debt allocations, just the standard profit/loss percentages. Does that mean we default to allocating based on the guarantees? And what if a member who guaranteed the debt has a negative capital account - does that change anything?

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Without specific debt allocation provisions, you'll default to the general tax rules which typically assign recourse debt basis to those bearing the economic risk of loss - meaning your guarantors. A negative capital account doesn't change the debt allocation rules, but it's actually a good sign that the member might need that debt basis. The debt allocation essentially helps prevent a partner from going too negative in their capital account. This is why guarantors often want that debt basis - it gives them more ability to take losses without triggering basis limitations.

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Our LLC had this exact issue last year. We ended up allocating the debt 50/50 to the two guarantors for basis purposes, but then had a separate "guarantee fee" that the non-guaranteeing members paid to the guarantors as compensation for taking on the risk. This fee was negotiated as a percentage of the debt guaranteed. Might be a fair way to handle the economic reality that some members are taking more risk than others.

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Alexis Renard

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Is the guarantee fee tax deductible to the LLC? And how do the guarantors report that income? As ordinary income or something else?

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