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Ava Martinez

Non-Deductible IRA Contributions on Form 8606 - Income Limits for Traditional IRA

So I just got blindsided while doing my taxes this year. I've been maxing out my traditional IRA for years, but apparently my income is now too high to get the full deduction?? I had no clue there were these partial deduction rules from $73K to $83K. Even though I put in the full contribution amount, I'm only allowed to deduct around $450 on my taxes. What's the point of even contributing to a traditional IRA if I can't take the tax deduction now? I've always done this because I figured I'd be in a lower tax bracket when I retire, plus I wanted to maximize deductions while my income is highest. Had zero idea these income limits were so low for the full deduction. Also just discovered I'm supposed to track non-deductible contributions using Form 8606. If I've been able to deduct the full amount in previous years, that non-deductible value should start at $0, right? And then this year it would be my total contribution minus the $450 I can deduct? Do I seriously have to keep tracking this every single year until retirement? I don't really get the purpose of this form... is it so I'm not taxed twice on certain distributions when I retire? Lastly, if I can't get the current year tax deduction benefits anymore from the traditional IRA, should I even bother with it or just switch to a Roth instead? I'm really confused. My taxes are usually super straightforward until this mess. Feel like I need 15 minutes with a financial advisor just for some quick guidance, not someone to do my whole return. Any suggestions where to get that kind of targeted advice?

Miguel Ortiz

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You've hit what many people call the "IRA deduction cliff" - it sneaks up on a lot of folks! Let me help clarify. You're right that your non-deductible basis starts at $0 if you've fully deducted previous contributions. For this year, your non-deductible amount would be your contribution minus the $450 deductible portion. And yes, you'll need to file Form 8606 every year you make non-deductible contributions to track your basis. The purpose of Form 8606 is to prevent double taxation. Since you've already paid tax on the non-deductible portion (by not getting to deduct it), you shouldn't be taxed again when you withdraw that money in retirement. The form helps establish your "basis" so only the earnings get taxed later. As for whether to continue with traditional vs switching to Roth - at your income level, many financial advisors would suggest prioritizing Roth contributions since you're getting limited benefit from traditional deductions. The Roth grows tax-free and withdrawals in retirement are completely tax-free (both contributions and earnings). For quick targeted advice, you might try scheduling a consultation with a fee-only financial planner who charges by the hour. Many offer 30-60 minute consultations specifically for questions like yours.

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Zainab Omar

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Ok so for 8606, am I supposed to have been filing this form every year even when I was fully deducting my IRA contributions? Or only start now that I have non-deductible amounts? And once I start doing this form, is there any way to mess it up that would cause issues later?

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Miguel Ortiz

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You only need to file Form 8606 in years when you make non-deductible contributions to traditional IRAs, or when you take distributions from an IRA that has non-deductible contributions. So you wouldn't have needed to file it in previous years if you were fully deducting your contributions. The main way people mess up Form 8606 is by losing track of their cumulative non-deductible basis over the years. Keep good records of your Form 8606s, as your non-deductible basis will carry forward year to year. If you lose track, you could potentially be taxed twice on those contributions. Many tax software programs can help track this for you, but I still recommend keeping your own records as backup.

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Did they help you decide between traditional and Roth? I'm also hitting the income limits and trying to figure out if I should just abandon traditional IRAs completely. Like what's the point of all this Form 8606 hassle if I can just go Roth and not worry about it?

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Connor Murphy

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Oliver Schulz

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Ava Martinez

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So I've been reading about this backdoor Roth thing and I think I'm starting to understand. But doesn't converting traditional to Roth trigger taxes? And would this even be worth it compared to just investing in a regular brokerage account at this point?

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Oliver Schulz

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You would pay taxes on any pre-tax money you convert, but not on the non-deductible contributions (since you've already paid tax on those dollars). That's precisely why Form 8606 is so important - it establishes your "basis" so you don't get taxed twice. Regarding whether it's worth it compared to a brokerage account - absolutely yes for most people! The Roth grows completely tax-free and withdrawals in retirement are tax-free. With a brokerage account, you'd pay taxes on dividends and capital gains every year, plus capital gains tax when you sell. The tax-free growth in a Roth over decades can be significantly more advantageous than a taxable brokerage account, even if you're not getting the upfront deduction.

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Quick question about Form 8606 - I've been doing non-deductible IRA contributions for 3 years but just learned I was supposed to be filing this form. Can I file it retroactively for previous years? Will I get penalized for not filing it before?

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Yes, you can (and should) file Form 8606 retroactively! File a separate Form 8606 for each year you made non-deductible contributions. You don't need to amend your full returns - just submit the standalone 8606 forms. There's technically a $50 penalty for each year you failed to file Form 8606 when required, but the IRS rarely enforces this if you voluntarily correct the situation. The bigger risk is not having documentation of your non-deductible contributions, which could lead to double taxation later.

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Thank you so much for that info! Do I need to include any kind of explanation letter with the retroactive forms? And how far back can I go if I've been missing these for a while?

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