Are nondeductible traditional IRA contributions my best option after maxing 401k?
Hey tax gurus! I'm feeling a bit lost with retirement planning this year. I'm single and already covered by my employer's 401k plan, which I'm maxing out completely ($22,500 for 2025). My problem is I make too much to contribute to a Roth IRA directly (around $165k), but I still want to save more for retirement beyond my 401k. I've been researching options and keep coming back to nondeductible contributions to a traditional IRA. Since I'm covered by a workplace plan and over the income limits, I can't deduct these contributions, but at least it's something, right? Is this really my best option for additional retirement savings? Are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? I've heard vague mentions of "backdoor Roth" but honestly don't fully understand it. Would love some insight from those who've been in similar situations!
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Natasha Romanova
What you're looking at is commonly called the "Backdoor Roth IRA" strategy. Since you're over the income limit for direct Roth contributions, you can still get money into a Roth through this two-step process. Here's how it works: You make a nondeductible contribution to a Traditional IRA (up to $7,000 for 2025 if you're under 50), then shortly after, you convert that Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. Since you already paid tax on this money (it was nondeductible), you only owe taxes on any earnings that occurred between contribution and conversion. If you convert quickly, this is usually minimal or zero. The key thing to watch out for is the "pro-rata rule." If you have any other pre-tax money in ANY Traditional IRA accounts (including SEP or SIMPLE IRAs), the conversion gets complicated tax-wise. The IRS doesn't let you just convert the nondeductible portion - you have to convert proportionally from both pre-tax and after-tax funds.
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NebulaNinja
•But wouldn't there be tax consequences when converting from traditional to Roth? I thought that counted as income. Also, does it matter if I already have a traditional IRA with some money in it from an old 401k rollover?
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Natasha Romanova
•The tax consequences depend entirely on what money you're converting. For the nondeductible contribution portion, you've already paid taxes on that money, so there's no additional tax when converting it. You'll only pay taxes on any growth that occurred between when you made the contribution and when you convert. The existing traditional IRA with your rollover is exactly the issue I mentioned with the pro-rata rule. This complicates things. Because you have existing pre-tax money in a traditional IRA, you can't just convert your new nondeductible contribution tax-free. The IRS will consider your conversion to be proportionally from both your pre-tax and after-tax funds across ALL your traditional IRAs. This means you'll likely owe some taxes on the conversion.
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Javier Gomez
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Emma Wilson
•How exactly does taxr.ai work? Does it just give general advice or actually look at your specific situation? I'm trying to figure out if I should do regular backdoor Roth or if I have other options with my company plan.
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Malik Thomas
•Sounds interesting but skeptical. How is this different from just talking to a financial advisor? And do they have access to info about every company's 401k plan options? That seems unlikely.
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Javier Gomez
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Malik Thomas
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Isabella Oliveira
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Ravi Kapoor
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Freya Larsen
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Freya Larsen
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GalacticGladiator
Another option worth exploring is a mega backdoor Roth if your employer plan allows after-tax (not Roth) contributions and in-service distributions or in-plan Roth conversions. The limits are much higher than regular backdoor Roth - you could potentially put away $40k+ extra beyond your regular 401k limit. Not all plans offer this though, so check with your HR or benefits department. The key words to ask about are "after-tax contributions" (different from Roth) and either "in-plan Roth conversions" or "in-service distributions.
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Omar Zaki
•Would I have to pay taxes on the conversion from after-tax to Roth though? I'm confused about how this is different from just doing a backdoor Roth IRA.
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GalacticGladiator
•You only pay taxes on the growth between the time you make the after-tax contribution and when you convert it to Roth. If you convert frequently (some plans even allow automatic conversions), this tax amount is minimal. The main difference from a backdoor Roth IRA is the amount you can contribute. A backdoor Roth IRA is limited to $7,000 per year (2025 limit for those under 50). With the mega backdoor Roth, you could potentially contribute up to around $43,500 more (the exact amount depends on your plan and the total annual 401k limit of $70,000 for 2025 minus your regular contributions and employer match).
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Chloe Taylor
Something nobody has mentioned - simple taxable brokerage account might actually be better in some cases? I use one alongside my 401k. The benefits: no contribution limits, complete flexibility to withdraw anytime without penalties, and long-term capital gains tax rates (which are lower than ordinary income rates for most people). Plus you can tax-loss harvest during market downturns, which isn't possible in retirement accounts. Just buy tax-efficient ETFs that don't distribute much in dividends and hold long-term.
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Diego Flores
•Great point about the flexibility! But don't you lose a lot to taxes on dividends and capital gains compared to Roth growth that's completely tax-free?
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