What's the best way to maximize Roth contributions as a self-employed S Corp owner?
I'm about to launch my own bookkeeping business (setting it up as an S Corp for tax purposes) and projections look really good for my first year. I want to be smart about retirement planning from day one! After moving my old employer's 401(k) into my Roth IRA (and yes, I paid the tax hit), I'm trying to figure out the best retirement account structure to maximize my Roth contributions going forward. I'm specifically interested in setting up something that would allow for mega backdoor Roth contributions to build up my retirement savings as efficiently as possible. I've been researching individual 401(k) options since they seem to have minimal fees, but I'm hitting a roadblock. From what I can tell, most solo 401(k) plans don't seem to allow for after-tax contributions beyond the standard limits or the in-service rollovers needed to move those after-tax contributions into a Roth IRA. This would make reaching anywhere near the $85k total limit impossible. I'm stuck trying to figure out where my understanding is breaking down: 1. Is this because SECURE 2.0 Act provisions are too new for major brokerages to have caught up? 2. Do I need to look at more expensive retirement plan options beyond individual 401(k)s to get these features? 3. Am I fundamentally misunderstanding something about how SECURE 2.0 or solo 401(k)s actually work? Would really appreciate any insights from folks who've navigated this before. I'm feeling pretty stuck!
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Sophie Duck
The confusion is understandable! As someone who helps self-employed professionals with retirement planning, here's what you need to know: You're right that most "off-the-shelf" solo 401(k) plans from major brokerages (Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.) don't support after-tax contributions or in-service distributions needed for the mega backdoor Roth strategy. This isn't because of SECURE 2.0 - it's been this way for years. For your S Corp situation, you have several options: 1. Custom Solo 401(k): There are specialized providers who offer solo 401(k) plans with the features you need. Companies like MySolo401k and Rocket Dollar specifically design plans supporting after-tax contributions and in-service distributions. They cost more than basic plans ($300-1000 setup + annual fees) but provide the functionality you want. 2. SEP IRA + Roth conversions: Another approach is maxing out a SEP IRA (up to 25% of compensation) and then strategically converting portions to your Roth IRA over time. 3. Cash Balance Plan: If you're extremely profitable and want to contribute even more, adding a cash balance plan alongside your 401(k) could allow significantly higher contributions. What many S Corp owners in your position do is pay themselves a reasonable salary that optimizes FICA taxes while allowing maximum retirement contributions.
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Lucas Lindsey
•Thanks for the detailed response! I hadn't heard of MySolo401k or Rocket Dollar - will definitely check them out. Do these specialized providers typically handle all the required paperwork and compliance reporting? And regarding the SEP IRA route, wouldn't I run into the pro-rata issue with conversions if I'm also doing backdoor Roth contributions?
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Sophie Duck
•Yes, providers like MySolo401k typically handle all the paperwork, compliance reporting, and Form 5500-EZ filings (though you should always verify exactly what services are included). They provide the plan documents and ongoing administration - that's what you're paying for versus the free options. You're absolutely right about the pro-rata issue with SEP IRAs. If you have existing traditional IRA balances (including a SEP), any conversions would be partially taxable based on the ratio of pre-tax to after-tax money across all your IRAs. This is why the custom Solo 401(k) option is often preferred - it avoids the pro-rata calculation completely by keeping the money in the 401(k) structure until you're ready to roll directly to a Roth.
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Austin Leonard
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Anita George
•How exactly does taxr.ai work? Does it just give recommendations or does it actually help with the paperwork? I'm starting a side business and trying to figure out if I should go the S-Corp route or stay as a sole proprietor for now.
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Abigail Spencer
•I'm a bit skeptical about AI tax tools. Have they been around long enough to be reliable with something as complex as retirement planning for S-Corps? The last thing I want is to get hit with penalties because some algorithm gave bad advice.
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Austin Leonard
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Abigail Spencer
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Logan Chiang
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Isla Fischer
•How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? Couldn't I just keep calling myself?
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Miles Hammonds
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Logan Chiang
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Miles Hammonds
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Ruby Blake
One option nobody's mentioned yet - if you want maximum flexibility with mega backdoor Roth options, consider looking into Ubiquity or Guideline for your 401(k) administration. They're more small-business oriented rather than strictly solo 401(k) providers, but both have started offering after-tax contribution options specifically designed for the mega backdoor Roth strategy. I'm also an S-Corp owner (web development business) and initially went with Vanguard's free solo 401(k), but switched to Guideline last year specifically to access the after-tax contribution feature. The fees are about $40/month plus a small percentage of assets, but the ability to contribute an extra $40k+ annually to my Roth made it well worth it. Just make sure your plan documents explicitly allow for both after-tax contributions AND in-service distributions of those after-tax amounts. Both features are required for the mega backdoor strategy to work properly.
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Micah Franklin
•Doesn't Guideline require you to have at least one employee besides yourself? I thought they didn't offer true solo 401(k)s.
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Ruby Blake
•You're right - I should have clarified that. Guideline does require at least one employee, which in my case worked because I have a part-time assistant. For a true solo situation with no employees, the specialized solo 401(k) providers that Comment 1 mentioned would be the way to go. A workaround some people use is hiring their spouse part-time for legitimate business tasks, which then qualifies you for Guideline and similar providers while keeping everything "in the family," so to speak. Just need to make sure any employment is legitimate and documented properly.
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Ella Harper
Don't overlook the cashflow implications of going all-in on retirement contributions your first year. I made this mistake with my S-Corp. I maxed out my solo 401(k) contributions in year one ($22,500 employee deferral + 25% of my salary as employer contribution), then realized I hadn't left enough operating capital for quarterly estimated taxes and business investments. I had to take a personal loan to cover obligations, which was stressful and cost me interest. Consider building a 3-6 month operating expense cushion before maxing out retirement contributions, especially if you're projecting strong growth that will require capital reinvestment.
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PrinceJoe
•This is excellent advice that I wish someone had given me. I'd add that you should also plan for the "employer" contribution at tax time. If you wait until filing your taxes to calculate the 25% contribution, you might find yourself scrambling for a large sum at once. Consider setting aside that money throughout the year in a separate business savings account.
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GalaxyGlider
Great thread! As someone who recently went through a similar transition from employee to S-Corp owner, I wanted to add a few practical considerations that took me by surprise: 1. **Payroll complexity**: Once you set up your S-Corp, you'll need to run actual payroll for yourself (including withholdings, quarterly 941s, etc.). This isn't just about calculating the "reasonable salary" - you need systems in place. I use Gusto, which costs about $40/month but handles all the compliance automatically. 2. **Timing of contributions**: Unlike when you were an employee with automatic 401(k) deductions, you'll need to manually coordinate your employee deferrals with your payroll. The IRS requires employee contributions to come from actual paychecks, not just business transfers. 3. **State considerations**: Depending on your state, S-Corp elections might have different implications for state taxes and retirement contributions. Some states don't recognize federal S-Corp elections, which could complicate your planning. The mega backdoor Roth strategy is definitely worth pursuing if your income supports it, but make sure you have the operational infrastructure in place first. I'd recommend starting with a basic solo 401(k) setup in year one to get comfortable with the mechanics, then upgrading to the specialized providers mentioned above once your business is more established. Also consider working with a tax professional who specializes in S-Corps - the peace of mind is worth the cost when you're dealing with both business formation and complex retirement planning simultaneously.
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Aidan Hudson
•This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the practical breakdown! I hadn't even thought about the payroll complexity aspect. When you mention that employee contributions need to come from actual paychecks, does that mean I can't just make a lump sum contribution at the end of the year? I was planning to calculate my optimal salary/distribution split annually and then make the retirement contributions all at once during tax season. Sounds like I need to rethink that approach? Also, regarding Gusto - do they integrate well with the specialized 401(k) providers like MySolo401k that were mentioned earlier in this thread? I want to make sure whatever payroll system I choose will work seamlessly with whatever retirement plan provider I end up using.
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