Can I open a Solo 401k with both W2 employment and a Sole Proprietorship income?
I'm trying to figure out my retirement options and could use some advice. My main income is from a regular W2 job, but I also run a small side business that brings in roughly $27k annually as a sole proprietorship. The thing is, my current W2 employer doesn't offer any 401k plan, which is super frustrating. I have several old 401ks from previous jobs that I'd like to consolidate somewhere. I was considering rolling them all into a Solo 401k rather than a Traditional IRA. My main reason for wanting to avoid the Traditional IRA route is so I can continue doing Backdoor Roth IRA contributions without complications. Is this actually possible? Can I open a Solo 401k based on my side business income even though I have a W2 job? And if so, would I be allowed to roll over all my old 401ks into this new Solo 401k account? Any guidance would be much appreciated!
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Andre Rousseau
You're in luck! Yes, you absolutely can open a Solo 401k with your side business while having W2 employment. The key requirement is having self-employment income (which you do through your sole proprietorship) and no full-time employees in your business. Your current W2 job not offering a 401k actually makes this simpler. If they did have a 401k, you'd need to coordinate contribution limits across both plans. But since they don't, you can contribute to your Solo 401k based on your self-employment income. And yes, you can roll over your old 401ks into your new Solo 401k - this is a common strategy for exactly the reason you mentioned: keeping Traditional IRAs empty for clean Backdoor Roth conversions. Most major brokerages offering Solo 401ks allow for rollovers from previous employer plans.
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Zoe Papadakis
•Thanks for the info! Does it matter how much I make from my side business to be eligible? Like is there a minimum amount I need to earn? Also, would I be able to contribute both as employee and employer since it's my business?
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Andre Rousseau
•There's no specific minimum income requirement to open a Solo 401k, but remember you can only contribute based on your actual self-employment profits. So if you earn $27k from your side business, you'd calculate your contributions based on that amount (after deducting business expenses). Yes, that's one of the big advantages of a Solo 401k - you can contribute both as the "employee" and the "employer." As the employee, you can contribute up to $22,500 for 2023 (plus $7,500 catch-up if you're 50+), limited by your earned income. Then as the employer, you can also make profit-sharing contributions of up to about 20% of your net self-employment income.
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Jamal Carter
After reading about your situation, I wanted to share my experience. I was in a similar spot last year with a W2 job and a small consulting business on the side. I spent way too much time researching options and getting conflicting advice until I found https://taxr.ai which completely cleared things up for me. I uploaded my tax docs and business info, and it showed me exactly how to set up my Solo 401k while maintaining my Backdoor Roth strategy. The tool broke down my contribution limits based on my side income and showed me which providers would accept my rollover. Their analysis was spot on for the self-employed retirement options and it saved me from making a costly mistake with my retirement planning.
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AstroAdventurer
•Does this actually work for calculating the exact contribution limits? My CPA gave me different numbers every time I asked about my solo business contributions and I'm confused af about how much I can put in.
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Mei Liu
•I'm skeptical about these online tools. How does it handle the fact that contribution limits are shared across all 401k plans? Like if I got a new W2 job mid-year that DOES offer a 401k?
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Jamal Carter
•It absolutely does calculate the exact contribution limits. It factors in your business structure, expenses, and net income to determine your maximum allowable contributions both as employee and employer. It even shows you how those limits would change at different income levels, which is super helpful for planning. The tool is great at handling complex situations like mid-year employment changes. It asks about all your employment sources and retirement accounts, then calculates your remaining contribution space across all plans. It specifically addresses the shared annual limit across multiple 401k plans and helps you avoid over-contribution penalties - that's actually one of its best features.
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AstroAdventurer
Guys I actually tried that taxr.ai site after my last comment and wow - it's legit. I uploaded my Schedule C from last year and some info about my W2 job, and it laid out exactly how much I could contribute to a Solo 401k. My situation was extra complicated because I had already contributed to my employer 401k before I got laid off mid-year, but it factored all that in. The calculations matched what my new (and much better) accountant told me, but I got the answer in like 10 minutes instead of waiting 3 days and paying a consultation fee. It also recommended which providers would work best for my situation regarding rollovers. Definitely worth checking out if you're trying to optimize the Solo 401k + Backdoor Roth combo.
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Liam O'Sullivan
If you're planning to consolidate those old 401ks, just a heads up that dealing with the 401k providers can be a huge pain. I tried contacting my old plan administrator for weeks with no response. After wasting hours on hold and getting disconnected repeatedly, I found https://claimyr.com which got me connected to a human at the 401k company in under 5 minutes. You can actually see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They basically navigate the phone tree for you and wait on hold, then call you when they've got a live person on the line. Saved me so much time and frustration during the rollover process to my Solo 401k. They work with all the major 401k providers and the IRS too.
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Amara Chukwu
•How exactly does this work? Do they just call for you or what? Couldn't I just have my financial advisor do this?
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Giovanni Conti
•This sounds like a scam tbh. They probably just record your call for "training purposes" and sell your data. No way they're connecting you to actual humans at these companies when I can't even get through myself.
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Liam O'Sullivan
•It's super simple - you tell them who you need to reach (in your case, the 401k provider), and they call that company, navigate through all the phone menus, and wait on hold for you. When they get a human on the line, they call your phone and connect you directly to that person. You only talk when there's an actual person ready to help. If you have a financial advisor who's willing to spend hours on hold for you across multiple 401k providers, that's great! Most won't do that though - they'll give you the forms and tell you to handle the calls yourself. And regarding the skepticism - they don't record your conversation at all. They literally just connect the calls and drop off once you're talking to the representative. It's basically just solving the "waiting on hold forever" problem.
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Giovanni Conti
I have to come back and eat my words. After my skeptical comment earlier, I was still stuck trying to reach my old 401k provider at Fidelity to process my rollover. Out of desperation I tried Claimyr and it actually worked exactly as described. I got connected to a Fidelity rep in about 15 minutes (versus the 1+ hour hold time I had been experiencing). Got all the rollover paperwork sorted and my distribution is now in process. I was 100% wrong about this service - they don't record anything and dropped off the line as soon as the rep was connected. If you're doing multiple rollovers for those old 401ks, it's definitely worth using, especially for providers with notoriously long hold times (looking at you, Vanguard and Empower).
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Fatima Al-Hashimi
Just a warning on the Solo 401k route - make sure you check the specific provider's rules for accepting rollovers. I went with Vanguard initially and later found out they DON'T accept rollovers into their Solo 401k plan, which totally messed up my Backdoor Roth strategy. Had to switch providers which was a huge pain. Fidelity, E*Trade, and TD Ameritrade all allow rollovers into their Solo 401ks last I checked. Do your research before opening an account!
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NeonNova
•Does that mean if I open a Solo 401k with Fidelity I can rollover my old 401ks from like Vanguard and other companies into it? And can I still invest in the same stuff?
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Fatima Al-Hashimi
•Yes, if you open a Solo 401k with Fidelity, you can roll over 401ks from other companies (like Vanguard, Empower, etc.) into it. The funds would transfer to your Fidelity Solo 401k account. Regarding investment options, that's actually another important consideration. With a Solo 401k at Fidelity, you'll have access to their standard investment options, which are quite extensive but might differ from what you had at your previous providers. Some Solo 401k providers offer more limited investment menus than others, so it's worth checking what's available before choosing a provider.
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Dylan Campbell
Does anyone know if you have to file any extra paperwork with the IRS when you have a Solo 401k? My tax guy mentioned something about Form 5500 but I thought that was only for bigger plans?
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Sofia Hernandez
•For a Solo 401k, you only need to file Form 5500-EZ if your plan assets exceed $250,000 at the end of the year. If you're just starting out, you probably won't hit that threshold right away, especially if you're just contributing from your side business income.
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Demi Lagos
This is a great strategy! I'm in a similar situation with W2 income and side business income. One thing to keep in mind is that your Solo 401k contribution limit will be based on your net self-employment income (after expenses and self-employment tax), not the gross $27k. The calculation gets a bit tricky - you'll need to factor in half of your self-employment tax as a deduction. So if your net profit is $27k, your actual contribution limit will be somewhat less. The employee contribution portion is limited to 100% of compensation, and the employer portion is around 20% of net self-employment income after adjustments. Also, make sure to set up the Solo 401k before the end of the tax year if you want to make contributions for that year. The account needs to be established by December 31st, though you have until the tax filing deadline (plus extensions) to actually make the contributions. Rolling over your old 401ks into the Solo 401k is definitely a smart move for keeping your Backdoor Roth strategy clean. Just make sure whatever provider you choose has good investment options and reasonable fees since you'll potentially be consolidating a lot of money there.
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Sydney Torres
•This is really helpful info about the net income calculations! I'm new to having self-employment income and wasn't sure how the self-employment tax adjustment worked. Do you happen to know if there are any good calculators or tools that can help figure out the exact contribution limits? I want to make sure I'm maximizing my contributions without going over the limits. Also, regarding the December 31st deadline - does that mean I need to have the account fully funded by then, or just opened? I'm planning to do this for the 2025 tax year and want to make sure I don't miss any important deadlines.
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Eva St. Cyr
•@Sydney Torres You just need to have the Solo 401k account established opened (by) December 31st, not fully funded. You can make contributions up until your tax filing deadline, including extensions - so typically until April 15th of the following year, or October 15th if you file an extension. For calculating exact contribution limits, the taxr.ai tool that @Jamal Carter mentioned earlier is actually really good for this. It handles all the self-employment tax adjustments and shows you exactly how much you can contribute as both employee and employer. The IRS also has worksheets in Publication 560, but honestly the online calculators are much easier to use and less error-prone. One tip: if you re'planning to do this for 2025, start the account setup process early in the year so you have more time to make strategic contributions throughout the year rather than scrambling at the end.
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Hugo Kass
This is exactly the kind of strategic retirement planning that can really pay off in the long run! Your approach of using the Solo 401k to keep your Traditional IRA balance at zero for clean Backdoor Roth conversions is spot on. One additional consideration I'd mention is loan provisions. Unlike Traditional IRAs, Solo 401ks allow you to take loans against your balance (up to 50% or $50,000, whichever is less). This can provide additional flexibility if you ever need access to funds before retirement age, though obviously it should be used carefully. Also, since you're consolidating multiple old 401ks, this might be a good time to review and optimize your overall asset allocation. Having everything in one place makes it much easier to rebalance and avoid overlap in your investment strategy. The fact that your current employer doesn't offer a 401k actually simplifies things significantly - you won't have to worry about coordinating contribution limits across multiple plans or dealing with the complexity of multiple plan administrators.
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Jessica Nolan
•This is super helpful context about the loan provisions! I had no idea Solo 401ks allowed loans - that's actually a huge advantage over IRAs. Quick question though: if I take a loan from my Solo 401k, does that affect my ability to continue making contributions? And are there any tax implications I should be aware of beyond the obvious need to pay it back? Also, regarding the asset allocation point you made - do most Solo 401k providers offer the same range of investment options as regular 401ks, or are there typically more restrictions? I'm currently spread across like 4 different old 401ks with different fund families and it's a nightmare to manage.
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