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One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're keeping VERY detailed records of your poker/sports betting activities if you're reporting them as business income and setting up a SEP-IRA. The IRS scrutinizes gambling income closely, especially when it's used to establish retirement accounts. Daily logs of play time, tournaments entered, buy-ins, cash-outs, locations, witnesses, etc. - document everything. I learned this the hard way when I got audited in 2023 for my 2022 returns.

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Do you have a particular system or app you recommend for tracking all this? I'm currently just using a messy spreadsheet but it's becoming unwieldy as my volume increases.

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I use a combination of a dedicated poker tracking app (PokerTracker for online play) and a custom spreadsheet for live games. For sports betting, I use Action Network to track all my bets. The key is consistency and detail. Each day I record: date, location, game type, buy-in amount, cash-out amount, hours played, and any relevant notes. For tournaments, I track the specific tournament name/ID, buy-in, re-buys, and final position/payout. I also keep all physical receipts from casinos and screenshots of online cashouts. This level of documentation saved me during my audit.

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Just want to add another perspective here - I went through this exact same situation last year when setting up my SEP-IRA with poker tournament winnings. The confusion around that gambling business question is totally understandable because the wording is misleading. What helped me was thinking about it this way: the IRS is trying to identify businesses that are in the gambling INDUSTRY (casinos, bookmakers, lottery operators) versus people who gamble professionally. You're a customer of gambling establishments, not operating one yourself. I selected "NO" on that question and had zero issues with my EIN approval or SEP-IRA setup. My CPA confirmed this was correct - the distinction is crucial for tax purposes but won't affect your ability to report poker/betting income as self-employment income on Schedule C. Just make sure you have solid documentation of your gambling activities as others have mentioned. The combination of professional gambling income + retirement account contributions does tend to get extra scrutiny, so having your records organized is essential.

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This is really helpful context! I'm in almost the exact same boat - trying to get my SEP-IRA set up with poker income before the deadline. The "customer vs operator" distinction you made really clarifies things for me. Quick question - when you set up your SEP-IRA, did your broker ask for any additional documentation beyond just the EIN to verify your self-employment income from gambling? I'm worried they might give me pushback since it's not traditional business income.

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Jade Lopez

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One additional consideration that might help with your situation - make sure you're properly tracking the basis adjustments for all shareholders, not just yourself. Since the ERC increases the S-Corp's income by reducing wage expenses, this flows through proportionally to all shareholders based on their ownership percentages. If you have other shareholders, they'll also see increased income on their K-1s and need to adjust their basis calculations accordingly. This becomes especially important if any shareholders are planning to take distributions or sell their shares, since the basis adjustments from the ERC income could affect the tax treatment of those transactions. Also, keep detailed documentation of the ERC calculations and amendments. The IRS has been scrutinizing ERC claims heavily, and having clear records of how you calculated the credit, which quarters you qualified for, and how you properly reflected it on your returns will be crucial if you ever face an audit. The documentation should include your qualification analysis (partial shutdown, gross receipts decline, etc.) and the wage calculations used to determine the credit amount.

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Ellie Simpson

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This is really helpful advice about the shareholder basis tracking. I hadn't fully considered how this affects my other shareholders - we have a 60/40 split, so my partner will see about $12,800 in additional income flowing through on their K-1. I should probably give them a heads up about the tax impact since they might not be expecting it. The documentation point is especially important given all the ERC fraud issues the IRS has been dealing with. I've been keeping copies of everything - our payroll records showing the employee count, documentation of our partial shutdown (we had to close our retail location for several weeks in 2020), and all the calculations we used to determine our qualified wages. Better to be over-prepared than scrambling if they come asking questions later. Thanks for thinking through these additional implications that aren't immediately obvious when you're just focused on getting the credit claimed correctly.

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Diego Ramirez

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I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with a similar ERC situation for my S-Corp. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been fully addressed is the impact on estimated tax payments for the year you amend your returns. Since the ERC effectively increases your S-Corp income (by reducing wage expenses), you might find yourself in a situation where you owe additional taxes on your personal return. If you're making quarterly estimated payments, you may need to adjust your remaining payments for the current year to account for this additional income flowing through from the amended returns. I learned this lesson when I got my amended K-1 and realized I was going to be significantly under-withheld for the current tax year. The IRS can impose underpayment penalties if you don't adjust your estimates accordingly. It's worth running the numbers with your tax preparer to see if you need to increase your quarterly payments to avoid any surprises next April. Also, for those dealing with state conformity issues that were mentioned earlier - make sure you understand how your state handles the timing of when you report the additional income. Some states may require you to report it in the year you receive the federal refund rather than the year you amend the return, which could create another timing difference to manage.

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This is such a crucial point about estimated taxes that I wish I had considered earlier! I'm in a similar boat where my amended returns are going to create a significant bump in my flow-through income, and I hadn't thought about how this affects my current year estimates. I just ran some quick numbers and realized I'm probably going to be way short on my Q4 payment. The tricky part is that the additional income from the ERC amendments isn't evenly spread throughout the year - it all hits at once when you get the amended K-1. So the safe harbor rules for estimated payments might not protect you if you don't adjust quickly enough. Does anyone know if there's any special provision for this kind of situation where you have a large income adjustment from prior year amendments? Or do we just need to make sure our Q4 payment accounts for the full year impact of the amended income? Also really appreciate the heads up about state timing differences. My state tends to be pretty aggressive about collecting taxes, so I'll definitely need to check if they want the income reported when I amend or when I actually receive the federal refund check.

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Zara Mirza

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I'm also new to this community and going through this exact same stressful experience! Filed my paper return on April 12th with a $1,450 check and it's been over a month now with absolutely no activity in my bank account. I've been obsessively checking my online banking multiple times daily, convinced something must have gone wrong. This thread has been such a huge relief to find - I had absolutely no idea that 4-8+ weeks was completely standard for paper return processing! I've always filed electronically in the past, but this year I had some complex rental property depreciation schedules that my tax software couldn't handle properly, so I was forced to go the paper route. I was genuinely starting to panic that my envelope got lost in the mail or that I somehow attached the check incorrectly. Reading everyone's different timelines has been incredibly eye-opening - it really seems like the IRS processing centers are just completely swamped during filing season. The insight about them processing returns in batches makes so much sense. And I'm so grateful I kept my certified mail receipt after reading how important that documentation is! The advice about combining paper filing with electronic payment next year is brilliant - that seems like the perfect solution to get instant payment confirmation while still maintaining the paper trail benefits. I'm definitely going to stop checking my bank account obsessively and just trust that this is the painfully slow but normal government process. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and timelines - this community is amazing for helping navigate the anxiety of dealing with IRS bureaucracy!

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Zara Rashid

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Welcome to the community! I'm also brand new here and dealing with this exact same anxiety-inducing situation. Filed my paper return on April 10th with a $1,285 check and it's been over a month with zero movement in my bank account. Like everyone else here, I've been compulsively refreshing my banking app multiple times throughout the day hoping to finally see some activity! This entire discussion has been an absolute lifesaver for my sanity - I genuinely had no clue that waiting 4-8+ weeks was totally normal for paper return processing. I also had to go paper this year due to some complex business asset sales that my tax software couldn't calculate properly. Reading everyone's timelines has really helped me understand that the IRS is just massively overwhelmed with paper submissions during filing season. What's been most reassuring is learning about the batch processing system and realizing that our returns from mid-April are probably all sitting in the same processing queue together. The advice about keeping certified mail receipts and the "no news is good news" philosophy has really helped calm my nerves. I'm absolutely sold on the paper filing + electronic payment strategy for next year - seems like the perfect compromise to get immediate payment confirmation while preserving the documentation benefits of mailing your return. Thanks for sharing your timeline and helping me feel less alone in this frustrating but apparently completely normal IRS waiting game!

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QuantumQuest

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I'm completely new to this community but found this thread while desperately searching for answers about my own IRS check situation! Filed my paper return on April 9th with a $1,625 check and it's been over 5 weeks now with absolutely zero activity in my bank account. I've been checking my online banking religiously every single day, sometimes multiple times, thinking surely today has to be the day they finally cash it. Finding this discussion has been such an enormous relief for my mental state - I honestly had no idea that 4-8+ weeks was completely normal processing time for paper returns with checks! I've handled everything electronically for years, but this year I had some incredibly complex stock option exercises and RSU vesting schedules that my tax software just couldn't process correctly, forcing me to go the paper filing route. I was genuinely starting to convince myself that my envelope got lost in the postal system or that I made some critical error in how I attached the payment. Reading through everyone's varied timelines and experiences has been so incredibly reassuring. The explanations about IRS batch processing and how they're completely swamped during filing season really puts the delays in perspective. I'm so grateful I got that certified mail receipt after seeing how important that documentation is for peace of mind! The community consensus about combining paper filing with electronic payment next year is absolutely brilliant - that approach seems like the perfect solution to get immediate payment confirmation while still maintaining all the documentation benefits of mailing your actual return. I'm definitely going to stop obsessively checking my bank account multiple times daily and just trust that this is simply how painfully slow but completely normal the government processing system works. Thanks to everyone who has shared their timelines and experiences in this thread - this community is truly incredible for helping manage the stress and anxiety of navigating IRS bureaucracy!

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Keisha Williams

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I've been getting those exact same calls from "Tax Relief Group" for weeks now! The voicemails are so aggressive and threatening - they keep saying I need to call back immediately about "time-sensitive IRS matters" or face serious consequences. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been such a huge relief. I was starting to get genuinely worried that maybe I had missed something important with my taxes, even though I'm pretty sure I'm current on everything. It's scary how these scammers can make you doubt yourself with their official-sounding language and fear tactics. The most valuable thing I've learned from this thread is about all the free IRS resources that are available online. I had no idea you could check your tax transcript, set up payment plans, or access the Taxpayer Advocate Service directly through irs.gov. It's mind-blowing that these services exist for free while companies like "Tax Relief Group" are trying to charge thousands for the same help. I'm definitely going to create my IRS online account today to check my actual status and put this anxiety to rest. Then I'll block their number and report them to the FTC. Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences - you've probably saved me and countless others from falling for this expensive scam!

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Julian Paolo

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I'm so glad you found this thread before calling them back! It's really disturbing how they've perfected these psychological tactics to make even people who are current on their taxes start doubting themselves. The fact that you were getting genuinely worried despite being pretty sure you're up to date shows just how effective their fear-mongering really is. What's been amazing about this whole discussion is seeing how many people have had the exact same experience - the identical voicemails, the same threatening language, the same artificial urgency. It really exposes how this is just a mass-marketing scam operation rather than anything legitimate. The IRS online resources that people have mentioned throughout this thread are game-changers. Once you check your actual account status on irs.gov, you'll probably feel so much relief knowing the real facts instead of dealing with all this manufactured anxiety. And if you ever do have legitimate tax issues in the future, you'll know exactly where to go for free, reliable help instead of falling for these predatory companies. Definitely report them to the FTC too - every report helps build the case to shut down operations like this. Thanks for adding your voice to this discussion - the more people who share these experiences, the more others will be warned about this scam!

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Aiden O'Connor

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I've been dealing with these "Tax Relief Group" calls too and they're absolutely relentless! After reading through everyone's experiences here, I'm convinced this is a major scam operation. What really bothers me is how they deliberately create panic with their fake "urgent deadlines" and threatening language about liens and wage garnishment. The most eye-opening thing from this thread has been learning about all the free IRS resources available online. I had no idea you could check your tax transcript, set up payment plans, or access the Taxpayer Advocate Service directly at irs.gov without paying anyone thousands of dollars for the same services. I finally created my IRS online account after reading all these comments, and guess what? My tax status is completely fine - no outstanding balances, no liens, nothing. These scammers were literally trying to create a problem that doesn't exist to sell me an expensive "solution." For anyone else getting these calls, definitely check your actual IRS account status first before even considering calling any tax relief company back. And keep blocking their numbers - they eventually give up when they realize you're not going to engage. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread is going to save so many people from falling for this expensive scam!

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Amara Chukwu

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That's such a perfect example of how these scammers operate! They literally tried to convince you that you had urgent tax problems when your account shows you're completely current. It's infuriating how they manufacture fake crises to prey on people's natural anxiety about the IRS. Your experience really drives home the importance of checking your actual IRS account status first - it takes all the power away from these fear-mongering tactics when you can see the real facts for yourself. I bet that was such a relief to log in and discover there was absolutely nothing to worry about! This whole thread has been an incredible resource for anyone dealing with these scam calls. The combination of personal stories, professional insights, and practical advice about IRS resources has created a comprehensive guide for handling these situations. I hope this discussion shows up in search results when people are researching "Tax Relief Group" - it could save so many people from expensive mistakes and unnecessary stress.

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Mia Roberts

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm really grateful for this incredibly detailed and helpful discussion! I'm in a similar situation where I'm planning multiple rollover transactions next year and was genuinely worried about running into IRS limits or compliance issues. @KingKongZilla - Your proactive approach with the $17,000 tax prepayment really shows excellent planning. Based on all the expert responses here, it's clear you handled everything correctly and are in great shape with the IRS. The distinction between unlimited employer plan rollovers versus the once-per-year limit on indirect IRA-to-IRA rollovers is something I definitely didn't understand before reading this thread. What I'm taking away for my own planning: - Create a detailed tracking spreadsheet for all transactions (dates, amounts, account types, taxability) - Request written confirmation letters from plan administrators - Carefully review 1099-R distribution codes when they arrive - Consider quarterly estimated tax payments rather than lump sum for large conversions - Keep meticulous records of all documentation The emphasis throughout this thread on proper documentation and record-keeping really highlights how important it is to be organized with complex rollover situations. The specific advice about Form 8606 reporting and the various tax software recommendations are incredibly valuable. Thanks to everyone who shared their expertise and real-world experiences - this community is an amazing resource for navigating these complex retirement planning decisions!

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Mei Chen

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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to add my perspective since I recently went through a very similar situation with multiple employer plan rollovers and conversions. @KingKongZilla - First off, you should feel confident that you handled everything correctly! Your proactive tax prepayment of $17,000 shows excellent planning, and based on all the expert responses here, you're definitely in compliance with IRS rules. I completed four different rollover transactions last year (two 401k rollovers, one 403b conversion, and one 457 rollover) and learned a few things that might be helpful: 1. The IRS actually prefers to see organized taxpayers who plan ahead like you did. Your documentation and prepayment strategy will work in your favor if any questions arise. 2. When your 1099-R forms arrive, create a simple checklist to verify each one shows the correct distribution code and matches your records. I caught one error that would have caused problems if I hadn't double-checked. 3. Consider setting up a dedicated folder (physical or digital) for all rollover-related documents. With multiple transactions, having everything organized in one place makes tax filing much smoother. The key insight from this thread is that employer plan rollovers have no annual limits - only indirect IRA-to-IRA rollovers where you receive the funds are restricted to once per year. Your situation falls into the unlimited category. Thanks for asking this question - the responses have been incredibly educational for anyone planning similar retirement account strategies!

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