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Natalie Adams

Need help with First Time Abatement for my Estimated Tax Penalty

I've found myself stuck with a penalty for not paying enough estimated taxes throughout the year, and I'm trying to get a First Time Abatement. I'm working on filling out Form 843 to request this abatement, but I'm getting confused at line 4. There's this section that I'm not sure how to complete properly. This is the first time I've had to deal with underpayment penalties. I've always been a W-2 employee, but last year I started some freelance work and didn't realize I needed to make quarterly estimated payments. I earned about $32,000 from freelancing, and the IRS hit me with a penalty of around $780 for not making those payments. I've been reading that I might qualify for First Time Abatement since I've had a clean compliance record for the past three years. But filling out this Form 843 is confusing me. Any help with completing line 4 would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone gone through this process before?

The First Time Abatement (FTA) is definitely something you should pursue for your estimated tax penalty. For line 4 on Form 843, you need to explain why you're requesting the abatement. You should clearly state that you're requesting a "First Time Abatement" under the IRS FTA policy. Your explanation should mention that you've had a clean compliance history for the past three years (no penalties), that this is your first time dealing with self-employment income, and that you weren't aware of the estimated tax payment requirements. Be honest but concise. Something like: "I am requesting First Time Abatement relief as this is my first penalty after 3 years of compliance. I was unaware of estimated tax payment requirements when I began self-employment work last year. I have since educated myself on these requirements and have made arrangements to comply with all future estimated tax payment deadlines.

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Natalie Adams

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Thanks for the explanation! So I just write that out in my own words on line 4? And should I attach any documentation to prove my clean compliance history, or does the IRS already have that information?

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You just write your explanation clearly on line 4 in your own words, or if there's not enough space, you can attach a separate statement and note "See attached statement" on line 4. The IRS does have access to your tax compliance history in their systems, so you typically don't need to provide documentation of your clean record. They'll verify this information internally when reviewing your abatement request.

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. Did it actually help with anything you couldn't find with a Google search? Form 843 seems pretty straightforward - just explain why you deserve the abatement.

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Hannah Flores

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One thing to remember about First Time Abatement for estimated tax penalties - it truly is a "first time" thing. The IRS typically only grants FTA once every 3-4 years per tax type. If you get it now, don't count on getting it again anytime soon! I'd recommend also setting up proper estimated tax payments going forward. The IRS Direct Pay system lets you schedule quarterly payments in advance, and you can use Form 1040-ES to calculate approximately how much you should pay each quarter based on your expected income.

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Natalie Adams

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Thanks for that tip! Do you know if using the FTA for an estimated tax penalty would prevent me from using it for other types of penalties in the future? Like if I somehow ended up with a late filing penalty next year?

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Hannah Flores

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Good question. The FTA policy is actually applied separately to different types of penalties. So using your FTA for an estimated tax penalty wouldn't prevent you from qualifying for an FTA on a late filing or late payment penalty in the future. The IRS treats each penalty type as its own category for FTA purposes. But you should still aim to avoid penalties altogether since FTAs aren't guaranteed and depend on your compliance history.

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Has anyone tried just calling the IRS Practitioner Priority Line instead of filing Form 843? I'm a tax preparer and sometimes we can get estimated tax penalties removed over the phone if it's a first-time situation and the amount is under $1,000.

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Isn't the Practitioner Priority Line only for tax professionals with CAF numbers? I don't think regular taxpayers can use that line - we're stuck with the normal IRS customer service line.

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