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Raj Gupta

Need help understanding my CPA's stance on Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses (UPE) placement on tax return

I'm really confused about something my CPA is insisting on with my tax return this year and hoping someone can shed some light. For the first time, one of my LLCs has Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses (UPEs) that are included on my K-1 from that business. When I got my personal tax return from my CPA, I couldn't find these expenses where I expected them. After asking, he told me they were listed on Schedule C. This confused me since Schedule C is for self-employment income, and I'm not self-employed. All my other partnership figures are on Schedule E, which seems right to me. After reading the schedule instructions, it looks pretty clear that UPEs should be listed on Schedule E too. I brought this up with my CPA but didn't get much clarification initially. When I called him, he basically said that putting UPEs on Schedule E would be a red flag to the IRS and subject me to immediate scrutiny. He insists on putting them on Schedule C and says he'll justify it to the IRS if questioned. His stance is that it's "tax neutral" regardless of which schedule it's on, so it should go on C which is "safer." He claims he does this for all his clients and flat-out refused to put the UPEs on Schedule E. The whole situation and his inflexible position is really bothering me. I don't like signing off on something that seems contrary to IRS instructions without a clear explanation. Normally I trust his judgment, but this feels off. It seems I'm stuck with three options: file a return that doesn't seem correct, find a new CPA, or ask him to remove the UPEs entirely and pay the higher tax (which seems ridiculous). Does anyone understand what my CPA might be thinking here with these Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses?

I can see why you're confused! Your CPA's approach is unusual but there's some context that might help explain his thinking. Historically, UPEs were commonly deducted on Schedule E alongside other partnership items. However, following the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and some subsequent IRS guidance, there's been increased scrutiny around certain partnership deductions. Some tax professionals became concerned that grouping UPEs with partnership income on Schedule E might increase audit risk. The technical answer is that Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses should typically be reported on Schedule E, not Schedule C. Schedule C is generally for self-employment income and expenses from a sole proprietorship. Your instinct about the instructions is correct. That said, if the expenses are legitimate and properly documented, you should be entitled to the deduction regardless of which schedule they appear on. The "tax neutral" part of your CPA's explanation is technically accurate - the bottom line tax effect should be the same either way. What's concerning is your CPA's inflexibility and lack of clear explanation. A good tax professional should be able to clearly explain their reasoning and be open to discussion, especially when you've raised valid concerns about compliance with IRS instructions.

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Thank you for that explanation - it makes more sense now why he might be concerned. Do you think this approach actually reduces audit risk, or is he being overly cautious? And if I were audited, would having the UPEs on Schedule C instead of Schedule E create problems even if the expenses are legitimate?

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The approach might slightly reduce certain audit flags, but creates other issues. There's no clear evidence it reduces overall audit risk - it's more like trading one potential concern for another. If you were audited, having legitimate expenses on the wrong schedule wouldn't necessarily invalidate the deduction, but it could complicate the audit process. The IRS might question why partnership expenses are on Schedule C, which could lead to additional scrutiny. The bigger issue is that filing a return you know contains technically incorrect placement of items can potentially affect penalties and the "reasonable cause" defense if there are problems later.

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Your CPA is being ridiculous and I'd seriously consider finding a new one. I've been a tax partner at a regional firm for 15+ years and we NEVER put UPEs on Schedule C. The IRS instructions are crystal clear that Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses belong on Schedule E. The notion that placing them correctly makes you more audit-prone is complete nonsense. If anything, incorrectly putting partnership expenses on a Schedule C could trigger an audit since the system might flag the mismatch between your K-1 info and Schedule C activity. Your CPA's stance is frankly indefensible from a technical standpoint. Ask him to provide specific IRS guidance supporting his position. I guarantee he can't because it doesn't exist. His "I'll defend it to the IRS" bravado is great until you're the one paying penalties and interest.

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My understanding is that some CPAs do this because Schedule C losses can offset self-employment tax while Schedule E cannot. Could that be why? Or is there literally no legitimate reason ever to put UPEs on Schedule C?

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There's zero legitimate reason to put partnership UPEs on Schedule C if they're genuinely partnership expenses. You've identified the likely actual motivation - Schedule C losses can potentially reduce self-employment tax while Schedule E cannot. But that's tax strategy, not compliance, and it's inappropriate to mischaracterize expenses just for tax advantage. If your CPA is doing this to artificially reduce SE tax, that's particularly problematic since partnership income generally isn't subject to SE tax anyway (with exceptions for guaranteed payments or service partnerships). This approach risks having the entire deduction disallowed plus penalties if audited.

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My CPA also puts Unreimbursed Partnership Expenses on Schedule C and gave me a similar explanation. Has anyone actually had an audit where this became an issue? I'm curious if IRS agents really care about which schedule it's on as long as the expenses are legitimate. I've been filing this way for years without any problems.

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Not an audit but I had a CP2000 notice (underreported income) for a completely unrelated issue, and during the review process, the IRS agent noted that my UPEs were on Schedule C instead of E. They didn't disallow the expenses but did require us to file an amended return with the expenses moved to Schedule E. The agent specifically commented that this was an incorrect reporting position regardless of how common it might be.

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Former IRS revenue agent here. This is a classic example of a tax preparer substituting their judgment for what the code and instructions actually require. UPEs should be reported on Schedule E, not C. Period. While it's true that return positions are sometimes taken that aren't 100% by the book, your CPA's inflexibility is a red flag. A good tax pro should be able to explain their position clearly, cite authority, and discuss the risk level with you. They should also be willing to file according to your wishes if you prefer the technically correct position after understanding the risks. If I were you, I'd insist on Schedule E reporting or find a new CPA. Any CPA who refuses to follow IRS instructions based on their personal "audit risk" theories without clear authority is putting their convenience above your compliance.

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Thank you for this perspective. As a former IRS agent, do you think filing with UPEs on Schedule C actually increases audit risk rather than decreasing it? I'm trying to understand if my CPA's concern about Schedule E triggering scrutiny has any merit.

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In my experience, filing with UPEs on Schedule C can actually increase audit risk rather than decrease it. The IRS matching programs can flag discrepancies between K-1 items and where they appear on your return. If the computer sees partnership activity but then finds related expenses on Schedule C (business income schedule), that mismatch could trigger a closer look. Your CPA's concern about Schedule E triggering scrutiny has very little merit. The partnership audit rate is higher than individual returns generally, but that has nothing to do with properly reporting UPEs on Schedule E. In fact, following the explicit instructions correctly reduces your risk profile. During my time at the IRS, we were more likely to question returns that showed unusual or inconsistent reporting patterns - like partnership expenses showing up on unrelated schedules.

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This is a frustrating situation that unfortunately reflects a broader issue in tax preparation - some preparers prioritize their own risk management over proper compliance. As someone who's dealt with similar partnership tax issues, I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from another CPA before filing. The consensus from the tax professionals who've commented here is clear: UPEs belong on Schedule E according to IRS instructions. Your CPA's "red flag" theory doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and the former IRS agent's perspective confirms that following the instructions correctly actually reduces your audit risk. I'd suggest asking your CPA to provide written documentation of the specific IRS guidance that supports putting UPEs on Schedule C. If he can't (and he likely can't because it doesn't exist), that should tell you everything you need to know about his position. Don't let yourself be bullied into filing a return you're not comfortable with. You have legitimate concerns about compliance, and any good CPA should be willing to work with you to address them rather than dismissing your questions. The fact that he's "flat-out refused" to follow IRS instructions is particularly concerning.

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This whole thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding UPE reporting! As someone new to partnership taxation, I'm seeing a clear pattern here - multiple tax professionals and even a former IRS agent are saying the same thing about Schedule E being correct. What strikes me most is how @Raj Gupta s'CPA is being so inflexible about this. A good professional relationship should involve explanation and discussion, not just trust "me and don t'ask questions. The" fact that he won t'provide supporting documentation for his position would be a dealbreaker for me. I m'curious - for those who ve'switched CPAs over issues like this, how did you find someone more collaborative? It seems like finding a tax preparer who follows instructions AND explains their reasoning clearly is harder than it should be.

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As a tax professional who's seen this exact scenario play out many times, I want to echo what others have said - your instincts are absolutely correct here. UPEs should be reported on Schedule E, and your CPA's refusal to provide clear documentation supporting his Schedule C position is a major red flag. What's particularly troubling is his claim that Schedule E reporting creates "immediate scrutiny." This is simply not supported by any IRS guidance or data. If anything, the mismatch between K-1 partnership items and Schedule C business expenses is more likely to trigger questions during processing. I'd recommend giving your CPA one final opportunity to provide written IRS authority supporting his position. Ask specifically for the regulation, revenue ruling, or other official guidance that says UPEs should go on Schedule C instead of Schedule E. When he inevitably can't provide this (because it doesn't exist), you'll have your answer about whether to continue working with him. Your concerns about signing a return that contradicts IRS instructions are completely valid. Don't let anyone pressure you into filing something you're not comfortable with - especially when multiple professionals here have confirmed your understanding is correct.

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