Need Form 6166 but never filed a tax return before - Toyota contract issue
So my brother just landed this contract gig with Toyota and everything was going smoothly until they hit him with needing a Form 6166. Apparently it's some kind of tax residency certificate?? The problem is he needs to file Form 8802 to get it, which asks for a previous tax return. But here's the thing - he's only 22 and has never filed his own taxes before since he's been a dependent on our parents' return up until now. Toyota is being pretty insistent about getting this form even though all the work is being done in the US. I've been trying to help him figure this out but we're both confused about how he can get a Form 6166 without having any previous tax returns to reference. Does anyone know if there's a workaround for this situation? Or some alternative documentation Toyota might accept instead? He's really excited about this opportunity and I'd hate for him to lose it over a paperwork issue.
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Carmen Diaz
You can still get a Form 6166 even without having filed a previous return. The Form 8802 (Application for U.S. Residency Certification) does ask for tax return information, but there are options for your brother's situation. Since he was claimed as a dependent on your parents' returns, he should indicate this on the Form 8802. In Part II of the form, there's a section for applicants who haven't filed a U.S. tax return. He'll need to check the appropriate box explaining why (such as being included on another's return) and provide the necessary information about your parents' return where he was claimed. He should also include a signed statement explaining his situation - that he's been a dependent, is a U.S. resident, and why he needs the certification (the Toyota contract). Including supporting documentation like his Social Security card copy, birth certificate, or passport can help strengthen his application.
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Yuki Tanaka
•Thanks for the helpful info! I didn't realize there was a specific section for people who haven't filed returns. Do you know how long it typically takes for the IRS to process Form 8802 and issue a Form 6166? Toyota is asking for this pretty urgently. Also, would my parents need to provide any documentation since he was claimed on their return?
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Carmen Diaz
•The standard processing time for Form 8802 is about 30-45 days from when the IRS receives it, though processing times can vary. There is an expedited processing option available for an additional fee if Toyota needs it urgently. Your parents would not need to provide their full tax returns, but your brother should include their names, Social Security numbers, and the tax years when they claimed him as a dependent on the application. He might want to have a copy of the relevant pages from their returns showing him listed as a dependent just in case, but this isn't typically required for submission.
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Andre Laurent
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AstroAce
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Zoe Kyriakidou
•I'm skeptical about these services. How does it handle the payment for the 8802? Last I checked the IRS required a specific payment method for this form. Also, does it work if you've filed taxes but under different circumstances (I filed jointly with my spouse but need the 6166 just for myself)?
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Andre Laurent
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AstroAce
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Liam McConnell
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Amara Oluwaseyi
Your brother might qualify for the "first-year election" option. If he's starting to earn income now but hasn't filed before, the IRS sometimes allows for a certification based on current year status rather than prior returns. In Part II of Form 8802, there's a section for "First year election." He should also include a signed statement that: 1. He's a US citizen/resident 2. He intends to file a return for the current year 3. Explain why he hasn't filed previously (was a dependent) The key is being very clear in your explanation letter. Also, make sure he pays the correct user fee - I think it's around $85 per application now.
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Yuki Tanaka
•The "first-year election" option sounds promising! Would Toyota likely accept this, or do international companies usually require the actual Form 6166 in hand before proceeding? He's concerned about timing since this contract opportunity might not wait.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
•Toyota will definitely need the actual Form 6166 document - the "first-year election" just refers to the basis on which your brother can apply for it using Form 8802. It's still the same end certificate, just obtained through a different qualification pathway. For timing concerns, the IRS does offer expedited processing for an additional fee. Last I checked, expedited processing takes about 10-15 business days instead of the standard 30-45 days. Your brother should consider this option if Toyota has a tight deadline. Make sure to clearly mark "Expedite" on the envelope and application if going this route.
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CosmicCaptain
Has anyone considered that Toyota might accept alternative documentation? When I worked with Nissan, they initially asked for a Form 6166, but when I explained the delay in getting one, they accepted a combination of: - Copy of my Social Security card - Passport copy - Notarized statement of US residency - Copy of most recent tax return (which in your brother's case might be the parents' return showing him as dependent) It's worth asking Toyota's contracting department if they have any alternative documentation options while the actual 6166 is being processed.
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Giovanni Rossi
•This isn't likely to work for Toyota specifically. Japanese companies are extremely strict about tax documentation because of their own tax authority requirements. I work with several Japanese clients and they never make exceptions on tax residency certificates - it's a hard requirement driven by their own compliance needs.
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CosmicCaptain
•That's good information about Japanese companies - maybe my experience with Nissan was unusual or things have changed. In that case, focusing on getting the Form 6166 as quickly as possible through expedited processing is probably the best approach. One additional thought - sometimes these companies have relationships with tax service providers who can help facilitate the process. It might be worth asking Toyota if they have any recommended resources for contractors in this situation.
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CosmicCaptain
I've been through this exact scenario with my nephew last year when he got his first job after college. The key thing to understand is that being claimed as a dependent doesn't disqualify you from getting a Form 6166 - it just changes how you fill out Form 8802. When your brother completes Part II of Form 8802, he should select the box indicating he hasn't filed a U.S. tax return and then clearly explain in the attached statement that he was claimed as a dependent on your parents' returns. Include the tax years and your parents' names/SSNs where he was listed. One thing I'd add to the other advice here - make sure he includes his Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or Social Security Number consistently throughout all documentation. The IRS is very particular about matching identifiers. Also, given Toyota's timeline pressures, I'd strongly recommend paying for expedited processing upfront. It's worth the extra cost to avoid losing the contract opportunity. Japanese companies like Toyota are notoriously inflexible on documentation requirements, so having that Form 6166 in hand is really the only path forward.
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