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Maximum Combined Roth 401k + Traditional 401k Contribution Limits for 2025?

I just turned 32 and I'm trying to maximize my retirement contributions this year. I have access to both traditional and Roth 401k options through my employer and I'm confused about how the limits work. What's the maximum I can put into a Roth 401k, Traditional 401k, or some combination of both for 2025? I've heard the limit is $23,500 but I'm not sure if that's per account type or combined. Also, does contributing to my 401k(s) affect how much I'm allowed to put into IRA and Roth IRA accounts? I want to max everything out if possible. Can someone break down the individual limits for: - 401k (Traditional) - Roth 401k - Combined 401ks - Traditional IRA - Roth IRA - Combined IRAs - All retirement accounts together Thanks for any help! I got a decent raise this year and want to put away as much as possible for retirement.

The total employee contribution limit for 401k plans in 2025 is $23,500 combined across both Traditional and Roth 401k. This means you can split your contributions however you want between the two types, but the total can't exceed $23,500. For example, you could contribute $10,000 to Traditional 401k and $13,500 to Roth 401k, or any other combination that adds up to $23,500. Your employer's matching contributions don't count toward this limit. For IRAs, the limit in 2025 is $7,000 for people under 50. This limit applies to the total of both Traditional and Roth IRAs combined. So you could do $3,500 in each, all $7,000 in Roth, all $7,000 in Traditional, etc. The 401k limits and IRA limits are separate from each other. Contributing to a 401k doesn't reduce how much you can put in an IRA. However, your income and whether you have a workplace retirement plan may affect the tax deductibility of Traditional IRA contributions or your eligibility to contribute to a Roth IRA.

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Thanks for this explanation! Quick follow-up question: if I'm over 50, do I get a higher contribution limit for both 401k and IRA accounts? And does employer matching count toward any of these limits?

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Yes, if you're over 50, you get catch-up contributions for both account types. For 2025, people 50+ can contribute an additional $7,500 to 401k plans (bringing the total to $31,000) and an additional $1,000 to IRAs (bringing the total to $8,000). Employer matching contributions don't count toward your personal contribution limits. They fall under a separate overall limit that includes all contributions to the plan (employee + employer). For 2025, this overall limit is $69,000 or 100% of your compensation, whichever is less.

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Don't forget about the catch-up contributions if you're 50 or older! The limits change quite a bit: For 2025, if you're 50+: - 401k (Traditional + Roth combined): $23,500 + $7,500 catch-up = $31,000 - IRAs (Traditional + Roth combined): $7,000 + $1,000 catch-up = $8,000 Also, some employers offer after-tax 401k contributions (not Roth) that can be converted to Roth through what's called the "mega backdoor Roth" strategy. This can potentially allow you to contribute much more than the standard limits, up to a total annual limit of $69,000 for 2025 (including employer match and all contributions).

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I've heard about this mega backdoor Roth thing but it seems super complicated. Does your employer plan have to specifically allow it? Mine just has traditional and Roth 401k options.

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Yes, your employer plan needs to have two specific features for the mega backdoor Roth to work: 1) They must allow after-tax contributions (not just Roth, but a third type called "after-tax non-Roth"), and 2) They must either allow in-plan Roth conversions or in-service distributions of these after-tax contributions. If your plan only offers traditional and Roth 401k options, you probably can't do the mega backdoor strategy. It's worth checking with your HR department or plan administrator though, as many employers are adding these features due to employee demand. Only about 30% of 401k plans currently support this strategy, so it's not uncommon for it to be unavailable.

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Does anyone know how the income limits work for Roth IRA contributions if you're already maxing out your 401k? I make about $145k and wasn't sure if I can still contribute to a Roth IRA for 2025 or if I'm over the income limit.

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The Roth IRA income limits for 2025 are based on your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI), which is basically your AGI with a few adjustments. For single filers, the phaseout range is $146,000-$161,000. For married filing jointly, it's $230,000-$240,000. Maxing out your Traditional 401k can actually help you stay under these limits since those contributions reduce your MAGI. Roth 401k contributions don't reduce your MAGI though.

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Thanks for the info! So if I'm making $145k but contribute the full $23,500 to my traditional 401k, that would potentially bring my MAGI down to around $121,500, meaning I could definitely contribute the full $7,000 to a Roth IRA too. That's super helpful - I thought I might be locked out of Roth IRA contributions entirely.

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Great question! Just to add some clarification on the HSA angle since you mentioned wanting to max everything out - if you have access to a Health Savings Account through a high-deductible health plan, that's another tax-advantaged account to consider for 2025. The HSA contribution limits for 2025 are $4,300 for individual coverage and $8,550 for family coverage, with an additional $1,000 catch-up contribution if you're 55 or older. HSAs are actually triple tax-advantaged (deductible contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses), making them incredibly powerful for retirement planning. Unlike retirement accounts, HSAs don't have income limits for contributions, and after age 65 you can withdraw funds for any purpose (though non-medical withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income, similar to a traditional IRA). Many people use HSAs as a "stealth retirement account" by paying medical expenses out-of-pocket and letting the HSA grow tax-free for decades. So your complete tax-advantaged savings strategy for 2025 could potentially include: $23,500 in 401k, $7,000 in IRA, and up to $8,550 in HSA if you have family coverage - that's nearly $40,000 in tax-advantaged space before even considering employer matching!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm 28 and just started a new job that offers both traditional and Roth 401k options. Reading through all these responses really clarified the $23,500 combined limit for 2025 - I was definitely overthinking it and thought each account type had its own separate limit. One thing I'm still wondering about: if I expect to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement (hoping my career continues to grow), would it make more sense to prioritize Roth 401k contributions over traditional? Or should I hedge my bets and split between both types? Also, the HSA information from Sofia was incredibly valuable - I didn't realize it could function as a retirement account after 65. My employer offers an HSA with their high-deductible plan, so I'm definitely going to look into maximizing that alongside my 401k contributions. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge!

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Welcome to the community, Dylan! Your situation sounds very similar to mine when I started out. For the Roth vs traditional question at your age, you're probably right to lean toward Roth 401k contributions if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket later. The general rule is: if you think you'll pay higher taxes in retirement than you do now, go Roth (pay taxes now at a lower rate). If you think you'll pay lower taxes in retirement, go traditional (defer taxes until later when your rate is lower). That said, splitting contributions can be a smart hedge since none of us can predict future tax law changes. Maybe start with 70-80% Roth and 20-30% traditional to give yourself some flexibility? You can always adjust the allocation as your career progresses and your income situation changes. And definitely max out that HSA if you can swing it financially! It's honestly one of the best-kept secrets in tax planning. The fact that you can invest HSA funds and let them grow tax-free for decades makes it incredibly powerful for long-term wealth building.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive breakdown I was looking for when I started getting serious about retirement planning! One thing I'd add that might be helpful for folks trying to optimize their strategy is to consider the timing of when you make your contributions throughout the year. If you're planning to max out your 401k ($23,500 for 2025), try to spread it evenly across all pay periods rather than front-loading it early in the year. This ensures you don't miss out on any employer matching contributions - some employers only match on a per-paycheck basis, so if you max out your 401k contributions by June, you could potentially miss out on employer matching for the rest of the year. For IRAs, you actually have until the tax filing deadline (usually April 15th) to make contributions for the previous tax year. This gives you extra time to see what your final income will be and determine if you're eligible for Roth IRA contributions or if you need to do a backdoor Roth conversion. Also worth noting that if you change jobs during the year, you can potentially contribute to multiple employer 401k plans as long as your total employee contributions don't exceed the annual limit ($23,500 for 2025). The IRS tracks this by individual, not by employer plan. Great thread - bookmarking this for future reference!

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This is such valuable advice about timing contributions throughout the year! I made this exact mistake in my first year of 401k contributions - I was so excited to max out early that I front-loaded everything and ended up missing several months of employer matching. Cost me probably $1,500 in free money that year. The point about multiple employer plans is really interesting too. I switched jobs mid-year last year and wasn't sure how that worked with the contribution limits. Good to know the IRS tracks it individually - makes planning much easier when changing employers. One question about the IRA deadline timing: if I'm right at the income threshold for Roth IRA eligibility, is it better to wait until I know my final AGI for the year before contributing? Or can I contribute early and then recharacterize or withdraw if I end up over the limit?

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