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Need help understanding mega-backdoor Roth IRA conversion - is it too late for previous years?

I'm trying to make sense of the whole mega-backdoor Roth thing but finding it confusing. Currently I'm putting about 22.5k into my traditional 401k each year, and my employer adds contributions that bring the total close to hitting the 69k annual limit. From what I've read, I might be able to take my 22.5k contribution and somehow convert or recategorize it as Roth money? Is this actually how it works? Are there any downsides to doing this that I should be aware of? The other thing I'm wondering - if this was something I could've been doing the past few years but didn't know about it, am I completely out of luck for those previous contributions? Or is there some way to go back and make changes to prior year contributions? Any help breaking this down would be really appreciated. I want to make sure I'm optimizing my retirement savings but the different rules and limits have me confused.

Alice Fleming

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The mega-backdoor Roth is a strategy that helps you put more money into Roth accounts beyond the normal limits, but there's some confusion in your question. Your 401(k) has two different limits: the employee contribution limit ($22,500 in 2023 plus catch-up if you're over 50) and the total annual limit for all contributions ($69,000 in 2023). The employee contribution can go in as traditional pre-tax or Roth (if your plan allows it), but once you've already made that choice for a particular contribution, you typically can't recategorize past contributions within the 401(k) itself. The mega-backdoor Roth strategy actually uses after-tax (non-Roth) contributions to your 401(k) beyond your $22,500, up to the overall limit, then converts those after-tax contributions to Roth. For this to work, your plan needs to allow both after-tax contributions beyond the $22,500 and either in-plan Roth conversions or non-hardship withdrawals of the after-tax portion. Unfortunately, if your employer contributions are already filling the gap between your $22,500 and the $69,000 limit, you may not have room for additional after-tax contributions that would be used for the mega-backdoor strategy.

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Hassan Khoury

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This was super helpful, but I'm still confused about one thing. If I'm only contributing the $22,500 and not maxing out the $69,000 limit with after-tax contributions, can I still benefit from the mega-backdoor strategy? Or am I missing out completely? Also, does the ability to do this depend on the specific 401k plan my employer offers? Like is it something I need to check with HR about?

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Alice Fleming

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Yes, you can still potentially benefit from the mega-backdoor strategy, but only if there's space remaining between your personal contributions plus employer contributions and the total annual limit. For example, if you contribute $22,500 and your employer contributes $20,000, that leaves approximately $26,500 of potential space for after-tax contributions that could be used for the mega-backdoor Roth conversion. Absolutely, this entirely depends on your specific 401(k) plan features. Not all plans offer after-tax contributions beyond the standard employee limit, and not all plans that offer after-tax contributions allow for in-plan Roth conversions or non-hardship withdrawals of those amounts. You should definitely check with your HR department or your plan administrator to see if your plan supports these features.

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Benjamin Kim

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I'm curious - did it help you figure out if you could do anything about previous years when you hadn't utilized the mega-backdoor option? That's something I'm wondering about too.

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Ryan Vasquez

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One thing to consider with the mega-backdoor Roth strategy is the pro-rata rule implications. If you have existing traditional IRA balances from previous rollovers or contributions, it can complicate things tax-wise. Also, remember that Roth contributions make sense if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement than you are now. If you think your tax rate might be lower in retirement, traditional pre-tax contributions could actually be more advantageous.

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Avery Saint

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Wait I thought the pro-rata rule only applied to regular backdoor Roth IRA conversions, not the mega-backdoor strategy which happens entirely within the 401k plan? Am I misunderstanding something?

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Ryan Vasquez

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You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. The pro-rata rule typically applies to backdoor Roth IRA conversions, not the mega-backdoor strategy that occurs within a 401(k) plan. With the mega-backdoor, you're making after-tax (non-Roth) contributions to your 401(k) and then converting those to Roth, which generally isn't subject to the pro-rata calculations that happen with IRA conversions. The point about tax brackets is still relevant though - it's worth considering whether Roth or traditional contributions make more sense based on your current tax bracket versus your expected retirement tax bracket.

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Taylor Chen

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Is there any way to find out if your employer's 401k plan supports the mega-backdoor option without having to call them? Mine has a website but its terribly designed and the FAQs don't mention anything about after-tax contributions or in-plan conversions.

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Check your Summary Plan Description (SPD) document - employers are required to provide this to all participants. It should list all contribution types allowed, including after-tax if available. Also look for terms like "in-plan Roth conversion" or "in-plan Roth rollover" in the document.

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QuantumQuasar

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Great question about the mega-backdoor Roth! To address your specific situation - since your employer contributions are already bringing you close to the $69k limit, you likely don't have much room for the after-tax contributions that make the mega-backdoor strategy possible. Regarding your $22.5k traditional 401k contributions, you generally can't go back and convert those to Roth within the 401k after they've already been made. However, you might be able to roll them to a traditional IRA and then do a Roth conversion (though this would trigger taxes on the converted amount). For previous years, unfortunately you can't retroactively make mega-backdoor Roth conversions. The contribution limits and tax years are fixed once they've passed. But going forward, if you have any room between your total contributions and the annual limit, you could potentially start using the strategy. I'd recommend checking with your plan administrator to see exactly how much contribution space you have after employer matching, and whether your plan allows after-tax contributions and in-plan Roth conversions. Even a small amount of extra Roth space could be beneficial over time.

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GamerGirl99

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This is really helpful context! I'm in a similar situation where I think my employer contributions might be eating up most of the available space for after-tax contributions. One follow-up question - when you mention rolling traditional 401k contributions to a traditional IRA and then doing a Roth conversion, would that be subject to the pro-rata rule if I have other traditional IRA balances? And would there be any advantage to doing that versus just changing future contributions to Roth within the 401k (assuming my plan allows it)? Also, is there a typical timeline for when employers make their matching contributions? Like if they do it at year-end, would I potentially have more room for after-tax contributions earlier in the year?

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