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Pro tip: If you're having trouble reaching the IRS, try contacting your local Taxpayer Advocate Service. They can sometimes help push things through faster.
This! ๐ The Taxpayer Advocate Service saved my butt last year when I had issues with my refund. Theyre like the secret weapon of dealing with the IRS
Just want to add another option that worked for me - you can also try updating your direct deposit info through the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website. It's not always available depending on where your return is in processing, but if the option shows up, it's way easier than calling. I was able to change mine online without having to deal with phone wait times at all. Worth checking before you spend hours on hold!
Just a warning - my parents set up an irrevocable trust in 2014 and we've had nothing but headaches. The tax filing requirements are a NIGHTMARE. We have to file a separate trust tax return (Form 1041) every year which costs about $900 with our accountant. Plus the trustee fees are eating into the assets. And now my mom needs some of the money for a special medical treatment but we can't access it because, surprise, it's irrevocable! Our attorney didn't emphasize enough how permanent this decision would be. Consider a revocable trust that converts to irrevocable upon death instead. Much more flexibility during lifetime.
This is such a timely question for me! I'm in a similar situation with my aging parents and have been wrestling with the same decisions. One thing I learned from my estate planning attorney is that the key advantage of an irrevocable trust isn't just the estate tax savings - it's also the "valuation discount" you can get. If your parents are transferring business interests or real estate (like that vacation property), they might be able to claim a discount on the value for gift tax purposes since the beneficiaries won't have immediate control. For your situation with $650K in total assets, you're definitely in the range where an irrevocable trust could make sense, especially with the vacation property appreciation potential. But I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from an estate planning attorney who specializes in irrevocable trusts before making the decision. The flexibility concern is real - once it's done, it's done. Some attorneys can build in limited flexibility through trust protectors or distribution standards, but you need to plan for worst-case scenarios upfront. Have you considered what happens if your parents need long-term care or have other major expenses?
The valuation discount aspect is really interesting - I hadn't thought about that! For the vacation property specifically, if it's expected to appreciate significantly over time, getting it transferred now with a discount could save a lot in future estate taxes. You raise a great point about long-term care planning. That's actually one of my biggest concerns. My parents are in their early 70s and relatively healthy now, but we all know how quickly that can change. I'm wondering if there's a way to structure the trust so that it could help with Medicaid planning while still providing the gift tax benefits? Also, when you mention "trust protectors," how does that work exactly? Is that someone who can modify the trust terms even after it's irrevocable, or is it more limited than that?
As someone who works with international tax compliance, I'd strongly recommend getting professional help before any major windfall. The interaction between US and Mexican tax systems on lottery winnings can be complex. One key point that hasn't been fully addressed - Mexican lottery winnings are typically subject to a 21% withholding tax, but this may not fully cover your US tax obligation depending on your tax bracket. The US taxes lottery winnings as ordinary income, not capital gains, so if you're in a higher tax bracket, you could owe additional US taxes even after claiming the foreign tax credit. Also, don't forget about estimated tax payments. If you win a substantial amount, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated payments to the IRS for the tax year of the winnings to avoid underpayment penalties. Living abroad doesn't exempt you from these requirements. The FBAR reporting mentioned earlier is crucial too - if lottery winnings push your foreign account balances over $10,000 at any point during the year, you must file FinCEN Form 114 by April 15th (with automatic extension to October 15th).
This is really helpful information! I had no idea about the estimated tax payments requirement. If I did win something substantial, how would I even calculate what to pay quarterly? And does the IRS expect me to convert everything to USD using specific exchange rates, or can I use whatever rate was current when I received the winnings? Also, is there any grace period for first-time lottery winners to figure all this out, or do they expect immediate compliance?
@892976dcc2b0 Great question about the quarterly payments! For estimated taxes, you'd typically use Form 1040ES to calculate what you owe. The IRS generally expects you to pay either 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's liability (110% if your prior year AGI exceeded $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments to avoid penalties. For currency conversion, the IRS requires you to use the exchange rate on the date you received the income. You can use the daily exchange rates published by the Treasury at fiscal.treasury.gov, or if no rate is published for that specific date, you can use the rate for the closest preceding date. Unfortunately, there's no "grace period" for lottery winners - the IRS expects compliance based on normal tax rules. If you win in Q1, your first estimated payment would be due April 15th for that quarter. However, if this creates a genuine hardship, you might qualify for penalty relief under certain circumstances, but you'd need to request this specifically and provide justification. I'd really recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in expat taxes before any major winnings. The complexity of international reporting requirements makes it easy to miss something important.
Just wanted to add another important consideration that I haven't seen mentioned yet - state taxes! Even though you're living in Mexico, if you're still considered a resident of a US state for tax purposes, you might owe state income tax on lottery winnings too. Some states have very aggressive rules about maintaining tax residency even after you move abroad. For example, if you still have a driver's license, voter registration, or property in certain states, they might still consider you a resident for tax purposes. California and New York are particularly notorious for this. On the flip side, some states like Texas, Florida, and Nevada have no state income tax at all, so if you can establish residency there before any big winnings (and it's legitimate), you'd only deal with federal taxes. Given that you mentioned only making $650/month currently, you'd probably qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion on your regular income, but lottery winnings don't qualify for this exclusion - they're considered "unearned income" and would be fully taxable at both federal and potentially state level. Definitely worth checking your state tax situation as part of your overall planning!
This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I'm actually in a similar situation - been living abroad for years but still have ties to my home state. I had no idea that states could still claim you as a resident for tax purposes even when you're living in another country. @4f4ca0150e48 Do you know how long you typically need to be out of a state before they stop considering you a resident? And what's the best way to officially establish that you're no longer a state resident? I'm wondering if I should be taking steps now to clarify my status before any potential winnings, rather than trying to sort it out after the fact. Also, for someone like the original poster who's been living in Mexico for over a decade, would that typically be enough to break state residency ties, or does it really depend on those other factors like licenses and property?
Has anyone actually filled out Form 8606 for a situation like this? I did a backdoor Roth last year with a large traditional IRA balance and honestly had no idea what I was doing on that form. My tax software kept giving me weird warnings about basis calculations.
Form 8606 is notorious for being confusing with backdoor Roth contributions. The key sections are Part I (for reporting non-deductible contributions to traditional IRAs) and Part II (for reporting conversions). Line 6 is where you report your total IRA balances for the pro-rata calculation. The form essentially calculates what percentage of your conversion is taxable based on the ratio of pre-tax to after-tax money across all your IRAs. With a $1.3M pre-tax balance and $7k after-tax contribution, approximately 99.5% of any conversion would be taxable.
I'm dealing with a very similar situation and the confusion is real! After reading through all these responses, it seems like the consensus is clear - your financial advisor is correct about the pro-rata rule applying. What really helped me understand this better was realizing that the IRS doesn't care which specific shares or contributions you tell your brokerage to convert. They look at ALL your traditional IRA balances (across all accounts) as one big pool when calculating the taxable portion. The math in your case would be roughly: $7,000 conversion ร ($1,300,000 pre-tax รท $1,307,000 total) = about $6,965 would be taxable. You'd only get about $35 tax-free from your after-tax contribution. Based on what others have shared here, your best bet might be to see if your current employer's 401k accepts IRA rollovers. If you can move that $1.3M into your 401k, then you could do clean backdoor Roth conversions going forward without any pro-rata complications. I'm definitely going to look into the 401k rollover option for my own situation. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has been incredibly helpful!
This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm in almost the exact same boat as Ava with a large traditional IRA balance from old 401k rollovers. I had no idea about the pro-rata rule complications and was about to make the same mistake. The 401k rollover strategy sounds like the way to go, but I'm wondering - are there any downsides to moving that much money from an IRA back into a 401k? I'm thinking about things like investment options, fees, or withdrawal flexibility. My current 401k has decent Vanguard funds but obviously fewer choices than what I have in my IRA. Also, does anyone know if there are any timing considerations? Like, do I need to complete the IRA-to-401k rollover before December 31st to avoid pro-rata issues for the current tax year?
Ryder Everingham
Has anyone tried using the IRS's own free file fillable forms to claim the Lifetime Learning Credit? I'm thinking about doing that instead of paying TurboTax.
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Lilly Curtis
โขI tried that last year but Form 8863 (Education Credits) is really complicated to fill out correctly on your own. I ended up making a mistake and had to file an amended return. Unless you're really confident with tax forms, I wouldn't recommend it.
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Maya Jackson
I totally feel your pain with TurboTax's sneaky upgrade tactics! I went through the exact same thing last year and it's so frustrating when you're already trying to save money as a student. Here's what worked for me: I ended up switching to FreeTaxUSA which includes the Lifetime Learning Credit in their free federal filing. The interface isn't as polished as TurboTax but it gets the job done and saved me that $49 upgrade fee. They do charge like $15 for state filing, but that's still way less than TurboTax's upgrade. If you want to stick with completely free options, definitely check out the IRS Free File program like Taylor mentioned. Just make sure to go through IRS.gov directly - don't Google the tax companies because they'll redirect you to their paid versions instead of the actual free file versions. One tip: before you abandon your TurboTax progress, take screenshots of all your entered information or print the review pages. That way if you switch services, you'll have all your data organized and won't feel like you're starting from scratch. The Lifetime Learning Credit is worth up to $2,000, so it's definitely worth the effort to avoid paying TurboTax's upgrade fee!
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Dananyl Lear
โขThis is such great advice! I had no idea about taking screenshots before switching - that's genius and would have saved me so much time last year when I got frustrated with TurboTax's upgrade demands. Quick question about FreeTaxUSA - do they also handle situations where you have multiple 1098-T forms? I'm taking classes at both my main university and a community college for some prerequisites, so I have two different forms. TurboTax was handling this fine until they hit me with the upgrade requirement, but I want to make sure FreeTaxUSA can handle multiple schools before I make the switch. Also totally agree about going directly through IRS.gov for Free File - I made the mistake of Googling "free tax filing" once and ended up on what I thought was a free service but was actually just a trial version. Learned that lesson the hard way!
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