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Diego Flores

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I'd strongly recommend having your mom file a return even if the cancelled debt might not push her over the filing threshold. Here's why: the IRS has a copy of those 1099-C forms and their computer systems will flag her SSN if they don't see a corresponding tax return that addresses the cancelled debt. Even if she qualifies for the insolvency exclusion or falls under the filing threshold, filing Form 982 (Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness) along with a basic return creates a paper trail showing you properly handled the situation. This can prevent those confusing IRS notices months later asking why the cancelled debt wasn't reported. Also, make sure you have documentation ready to support any insolvency claim - bank statements, asset valuations, and debt balances as of the date each debt was cancelled. The IRS can request this information if they decide to review the return. Since you're managing this for your elderly mom, having everything organized upfront will save you both stress later.

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Dmitry Petrov

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This is really solid advice about filing even if she might be under the threshold. I actually work with elderly clients in similar situations and have seen too many cases where people thought they were "safe" not filing, only to get automated IRS notices months later that caused major stress and confusion. One thing I'd add - when gathering that documentation Diego mentioned, make sure to get everything valued as of the specific date each debt was cancelled (which should be on each 1099-C form). The IRS is very particular about using the right valuation dates for insolvency calculations. If the dates are different across the four 1099-C forms your mom received, you might need separate insolvency calculations for each cancellation event. Also, keep copies of everything you submit. With elderly taxpayers, the IRS sometimes sends follow-up correspondence to the wrong address or it gets lost, so having your own complete file makes any future communications much easier to handle.

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Libby Hassan

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This is such a common situation for elderly folks dealing with debt settlement, and you're absolutely right to be concerned about the tax implications. One thing that might help ease your worry - even if your mom does end up owing some taxes on the cancelled debt, the IRS has payment plan options specifically designed for people on fixed incomes. If she doesn't qualify for full insolvency exclusion, she could potentially set up an installment agreement for as little as $25-50 per month, or even request "currently not collectible" status if her income is too low to make payments. The key is being proactive and filing the return with proper documentation rather than ignoring it. Since you're managing her finances, I'd also suggest keeping detailed records of her monthly expenses (housing, utilities, food, medications, etc.) alongside the asset/debt documentation others mentioned. This information becomes really valuable if you need to demonstrate financial hardship to the IRS later. At 78 and on a fixed income, she's likely in a protected category that gives her more options than younger taxpayers would have.

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CosmicCruiser

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Does anyone know if these rejection codes are the same across different tax software? I'm using TurboTax and got a similar error but with a different code (something like TTX-82-8283) for my charitable donations. So frustrating that they make this so complicated!

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Malik Davis

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Each tax software uses slightly different prefix codes, but the core issue is usually the same. TurboTax uses "TTX" prefixes for their internal error tracking, but the underlying IRS rejection reason is likely identical. The "8283" in your code indicates it's also related to Form 8283. Check all the same issues mentioned above - particularly whether you need Section A or B based on value, if you've included all required information, and whether you need a signature from the organization. TurboTax should have a detailed error explanation somewhere in the rejection notice.

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I've been dealing with IRS e-file rejections for years as a tax preparer, and the fd-32-f8283-036 code is one of the more common ones we see. Based on the thread discussion, it looks like Emma got her issue resolved, but I wanted to add some additional context for future readers who might encounter this. The "fd-32" prefix specifically indicates a data validation failure on Form 8283, and the "036" suffix usually points to either missing required signatures or incorrect section usage (A vs B). What many people don't realize is that the IRS updated their validation rules in 2024, making them much stricter about donor acknowledgments and fair market value documentation. A few additional tips that might help others: - If your donation includes multiple items, consider whether they should be reported separately or can legitimately be grouped - The "how acquired" field is now required for all donations over $500 (not just over $5,000) - For artwork, antiques, or collectibles over $20,000, you need a qualified appraisal even if the organization doesn't require it The good news is that once you understand what the code means, these issues are usually straightforward to fix. The bad news is that the IRS error messages are intentionally vague for security reasons, which is why communities like this are so valuable for sharing real-world solutions.

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Yara Khalil

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Thanks for the professional insight, Natasha! This is really helpful information. I'm new to this community but have been lurking and reading through similar threads because I'm anticipating some challenges with my own tax filing this year. Your point about the 2024 validation rule updates is particularly interesting - I hadn't realized the IRS had tightened things up so much. The "how acquired" field requirement for donations over $500 is new information to me. Do you happen to know if there's anywhere the IRS publishes these validation rule changes, or is this something tax preparers just have to learn through experience and rejection codes? Also, for someone who might be approaching the $20,000 threshold you mentioned for qualified appraisals - is that per item or total donation value for the year? I have some inherited artwork that I'm considering donating and want to make sure I understand the requirements upfront.

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StarStrider

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Since u dont have to worry about penalties anymore, consider looking into short-term health plans to cover the gap between jobs. Way cheaper than COBRA. Just be aware they don't cover pre-existing conditions and aren't comprehensive like ACA plans. But for a few months of basic coverage against emergencies, it's better than nothing!

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Ravi Gupta

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Short-term plans are trash tho. My brother got one and then needed surgery - they found some minor issue in his medical history and denied EVERYTHING. Said it was "pre-existing". Just save your $ and pray nothing happens lol

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Omar Hassan

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Great question! You're absolutely right - there's no federal penalty for not having health insurance starting from the 2019 tax year. However, I'd strongly recommend looking into your options during the gap period anyway. Since you mentioned you're between jobs, you might qualify for a Special Enrollment Period on healthcare.gov if you recently lost employer coverage. This could make marketplace plans more affordable than you think, especially if your income qualifies you for premium tax credits. Also consider that even a basic catastrophic plan could save you from financial disaster if something unexpected happens. Medical debt is still one of the leading causes of bankruptcy, even for people who thought they were being smart by saving the premium money. When you do start your new job, make sure to sign up for their health insurance right away during your eligibility period - don't wait for the next open enrollment!

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Malik Thomas

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This is really solid advice! I didn't realize you could qualify for a Special Enrollment Period just from losing job-based coverage. That's actually really helpful to know. I've been putting off looking into marketplace plans because I assumed they'd be crazy expensive, but if there are premium tax credits available based on income, that could change things. Do you happen to know how quickly you have to apply after losing coverage to qualify for the special enrollment?

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Need Help with Form 8594 for Partial Business Sale - Confused about Filing Requirements

I just met with a potential new client who's got some questions about a business deal from May that I'm struggling to figure out. They sold part of their business - specifically the trade name, client list, and a few assets - to another company for about $875k total. Around $750k of that was for the trade name and client list, with $125k going to the physical assets. Here's the tricky part - they didn't sell ALL their business assets. They still have about $190k in fixed assets plus cash and accounts receivable. They're keeping their EIN active and still collecting on invoices this month. They don't want to close down completely, just scale back since they're approaching retirement and the business got bigger than they wanted to manage. I'm confused about the Form 8594 requirement here. I know it's typically used for asset sales, but since the buyer only purchased specific assets plus the trade name/client list, I'm not sure if it applies. Also, we usually see Form 8594 with final tax returns, but they want to keep operating the business on a smaller scale. Another thing I'm struggling with is how to calculate the seller's basis in goodwill. Normally I'd say it's purchase price minus FMV of net assets, but that doesn't seem right when less than half the company's assets were actually sold. Anyone have experience with this kind of partial business sale? I'm really not sure how to handle this situation correctly.

RaΓΊl Mora

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This is exactly the kind of situation where Form 8594 gets tricky! I dealt with something very similar recently. The key distinction here is that your client sold what could be considered a "business segment" - the trade name and client list together essentially represent the customer-facing part of their business that could operate independently. Even though they're keeping the entity open and maintaining some operations, the IRS looks at whether the transferred assets constitute a trade or business from the buyer's perspective. Since the buyer acquired the ability to serve those clients under that trade name, it's likely an applicable asset acquisition requiring Form 8594. For the allocation, you'll want to be very careful about how the $750k for intangibles gets classified. Trade names typically go in Class IV (Section 197 intangibles other than goodwill and going concern value), while customer lists can sometimes be argued as Class V depending on the specifics. The purchase agreement language will be crucial here. One thing to watch out for - make sure you coordinate with the buyer's accountant if possible. I've seen cases where mismatched allocations between buyer and seller 8594 forms triggered IRS inquiries. The continued operation of your client's business actually makes this coordination even more important since it might raise questions about whether all relevant assets were properly identified and allocated.

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This is really helpful, especially the point about business segment classification. I'm curious about one thing though - you mentioned that customer lists can sometimes be Class V depending on specifics. What factors determine whether a customer list goes in Class IV versus Class V? Is it based on how the list was developed or the nature of the customer relationships? Also, when you say the continued operation makes coordination more important, are you thinking the IRS might question whether other intangible assets (like ongoing customer relationships for retained clients) should have been included in the sale allocation? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could create problems down the road.

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Great question about the Class IV vs Class V distinction! Customer lists typically go in Class IV as Section 197 intangibles, but they could potentially be Class V (goodwill and going concern value) if they're so integral to the business that they represent the expectation of continued customer patronage rather than just contact information. The key factors are: (1) whether the list has independent value beyond just names/contacts, (2) the nature and duration of customer relationships, and (3) how the list was developed. A highly curated client list with long-term service contracts would lean more toward Class IV, while a basic contact database might be harder to separate from general goodwill. You're absolutely right about the coordination concern. The IRS might question whether the seller retained any intangible value related to customer relationships, especially if they're continuing to service some of the same market. They could argue that ongoing customer relationships or market presence should have been allocated as part of the sale. I'd recommend being very specific in the purchase agreement about exactly which customer relationships transferred and which remained with the seller. Documentation showing clear separation of the customer bases will be crucial if this ever gets scrutinized.

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Luca Ferrari

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I've handled several similar partial business sales, and you're definitely dealing with a Form 8594 situation. The fact that your client is keeping some assets and continuing operations doesn't exempt them from the filing requirement. Here's what I'd focus on: The $875k transaction involved identifiable intangible assets (trade name and client list) plus tangible assets that could function as an independent business unit. This meets the "applicable asset acquisition" threshold under Section 1060, regardless of what the seller does afterward. For the allocation, be very careful with that $750k in intangibles. The trade name should go in Class IV as a Section 197 intangible. The client list classification depends on whether it's just contact information or represents established business relationships with contracts/ongoing value - this could affect whether it's Class IV or gets lumped into Class V. One practical tip: Document everything about which specific clients/contracts transferred versus which ones your client retained. If the IRS ever questions this, they'll want to see clear separation between the business segment that was sold and what remained with the seller. The continued operation of the business makes this documentation even more critical. Also make sure both parties use consistent allocations on their 8594 forms. Mismatched filings are audit magnets, especially in partial sale situations where the business continues operating.

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If you're comfortable with spreadsheets, you can actually build a simple tax calculator using the bracket method that RaΓΊl explained. I created one for myself last year and it's been super helpful for quarterly planning. Here's the basic formula structure: - Set up columns for each tax bracket (income ranges and rates) - Use IF statements to calculate how much income falls in each bracket - Multiply each bracket amount by its corresponding rate - Sum all the bracket calculations for your total tax The key insight is that those tax table worksheets are just doing this math for you automatically. Once you understand that it's just applying the progressive brackets step by step, the whole system becomes much clearer. I can share the spreadsheet template if anyone's interested - it handles the 2025 brackets and automatically updates when you change your projected income. Much more transparent than trying to decode those printed tax tables!

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Yuki Watanabe

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This is exactly what I was looking for! I'm pretty comfortable with Excel and would love to see that spreadsheet template if you're willing to share it. The idea of building my own calculator that I can actually understand makes so much more sense than trying to decode those confusing tax table worksheets. Being able to plug in different income scenarios and see the results instantly would be perfect for my quarterly planning. Thank you for offering to share this!

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue! As someone who switched from W-2 to freelance work this year, projecting my 2025 taxes has been a nightmare. Those tax table worksheets are so confusing - I kept staring at all those income ranges and corresponding amounts wondering how they even calculated those numbers. What really helped me was understanding that the tax tables are essentially just pre-calculated versions of the progressive bracket system. Instead of making everyone do the math themselves (like the example RaΓΊl gave with the $78k income), the IRS just does all those calculations and puts them in a big table. The breakthrough for me was realizing I could just use the bracket formulas directly instead of trying to interpolate from the printed tables. Much more accurate for planning purposes, especially when your projected income might fall right between the ranges shown in the worksheets. One thing to watch out for - make sure you're using the right filing status brackets. I initially used the wrong ones and was off by quite a bit in my estimates!

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Zara Ahmed

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This is such a helpful perspective! I'm in a similar boat - just started doing some consulting work on the side of my regular job and trying to figure out how much I should be setting aside for taxes. The filing status thing you mentioned is a good catch - I almost made that mistake myself when I was looking up the brackets online. One question - when you say you use the bracket formulas directly, are you calculating this by hand each time or did you set up some kind of system? I'm wondering if there's a middle ground between doing all the math manually and relying on those confusing printed worksheets.

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