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Backdoor Roth IRA gained $2 before transfer - do I need to transfer this too and get taxed? Will this affect next year's contribution limit?

So I'm in the process of doing a backdoor Roth IRA conversion and ran into a small issue. I deposited $6500 into my traditional IRA, but before I could complete the transfer to my Roth account, the money somehow gained $2 in interest (I guess the cash was sitting in a money market fund or something). I've been reading up on this and from what I understand, I should transfer the entire amount ($6502) to my Roth and then pay taxes on that $2 gain this year. Is this correct? What's confusing me more is whether this impacts what I can contribute next year. Does this mean I've technically used up $6502 of my contribution limit this year, so next year I can only contribute $6498 (assuming the limit stays at $7000)? Or does the $2 gain not count against my contribution limit at all? This is my first time doing a backdoor Roth so I want to make sure I'm handling everything correctly. Thanks in advance for any help!

You're on the right track about transferring the full amount. When you do a backdoor Roth conversion, you should convert the entire balance, including any earnings. Those earnings ($2 in your case) will be taxable in the year you do the conversion. The good news is that investment gains in your Traditional IRA don't count against your contribution limit! The contribution limit only applies to the money you put in, not what it earns. So you've used exactly $6500 of your contribution limit this year, and you'll be able to contribute the full annual limit next year (which is $7000 for 2025 if you're under 50). Just make sure you file Form 8606 with your taxes to report the nondeductible contribution and the conversion. This form is crucial for tracking your basis in the IRA and ensuring you're only taxed on the earnings.

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Thanks for clarifying! So just to make sure I understand: I'll transfer the full $6502 to my Roth, file Form 8606 to report the nondeductible contribution and conversion, and pay income tax just on the $2 gain. And next year I can still contribute the full $7000. Does the Form 8606 get filed with my regular tax return or is it a separate filing?

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Form 8606 is filed with your regular tax return, not separately. It's the form that tracks your non-deductible contributions to traditional IRAs and conversions to Roth IRAs. Yes, you've got everything right! Transfer the full $6502, pay tax on just the $2 gain, and you'll still be eligible to contribute the full annual limit next year. The $2 earnings don't impact your contribution space at all.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're not running into the step transaction doctrine with your backdoor Roth. If you deposit to traditional and then immediately convert to Roth (like within days), the IRS could potentially view this as a single transaction and challenge it. I usually wait at least a month between my traditional IRA contribution and the Roth conversion just to be safe. This also means I usually have a few more dollars in earnings to pay tax on, but that's a small price for peace of mind.

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I've actually never heard about this step transaction doctrine thing. My financial advisor never mentioned waiting between the contribution and conversion. Is this actually a real concern? Because I've already initiated the conversion just 3 days after making the contribution.

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The step transaction doctrine is a general tax concept, but its application to backdoor Roth conversions is somewhat debated. While some tax professionals recommend waiting between contribution and conversion, many others (including major financial institutions) don't see it as necessary. The backdoor Roth has been widely used for years now, and the IRS hasn't generally challenged these conversions even when done in quick succession. Congress has also indirectly acknowledged the strategy. So while I personally still wait a bit between steps for my own peace of mind, many experts would say your 3-day timeframe is fine. Just make sure you're properly documenting everything on Form 8606.

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Anyone know if using different brokerages for the traditional ira contribution vs the roth conversion causes any issues? I contributed to a traditional ira at Vanguard but want to convert and have the roth at fidelity.

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You can absolutely do the conversion between different brokerages, but it's a bit more complicated. You'll need to do a trustee-to-trustee transfer from Vanguard to Fidelity. Call Fidelity and tell them you want to do a Roth conversion from your Vanguard Traditional IRA. They'll handle most of the paperwork and walk you through it. Just be aware it might take longer than doing it all at one brokerage, so you might end up with more earnings that'll be taxable.

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Just want to add another perspective on timing - I've been doing backdoor Roth conversions for about 5 years now and have never waited more than a few days between contribution and conversion. My CPA has never raised any concerns about the step transaction doctrine, and I've never had any issues with the IRS. The key thing is proper documentation on Form 8606 as others have mentioned. Make sure you report the nondeductible contribution in Part I and the conversion in Part II. The $2 in earnings you mentioned is totally normal and expected - I usually end up with somewhere between $1-10 in gains depending on how quickly I can complete the conversion. One tip: if you're planning to do this annually, consider setting up both accounts at the same brokerage to make the process smoother. I do mine at Schwab and can complete the entire conversion online within their system, which minimizes the time the money sits earning taxable gains.

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