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Ryan Andre

Is there a standard deductible for self employment tax or do I pay tax on all my self employment income?

So I just started doing some freelance graphic design work this year alongside my regular job. I made about $7,800 so far from various small projects. I know I need to pay self employment tax on this income, but I'm confused about whether there's any standard deduction or threshold before I have to start paying. Does anyone know if I have to pay self employment tax on the entire $7,800 or is there some kind of standard deduction amount I can subtract first? I've heard different things from friends - one said I only pay on amounts over $400, another said I pay on everything but can deduct half of something? Tax stuff is so confusing and I don't want to mess up my first year filing with self employment income.

Lauren Zeb

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You'll need to pay self-employment tax on your net earnings if they're $400 or more. Net earnings means your self-employment income minus your business expenses. So for your $7,800 in freelance design work, you'll want to subtract any legitimate business expenses first (software subscriptions, equipment, portion of internet used for business, etc.). After you've calculated your net profit, if it's $400 or more, you'll pay SE tax on that amount. The other thing your friend might have been referring to is that when calculating your income tax (not SE tax), you can deduct 50% of your self-employment tax. This doesn't reduce your SE tax itself, but it does lower your income tax.

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Wait I'm confused. So if I made $5000 doing doordash but had $1000 in expenses, I pay SE tax on $4000 right? But then what's this 50% deduction thing? Do I get to deduct another $2000?

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Lauren Zeb

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You've got the first part right. If you made $5000 with $1000 in expenses, your net profit is $4000, and you'd pay SE tax on that amount since it's over $400. The 50% deduction is different. After calculating your SE tax (which is roughly 15.3% of your net profit), you get to deduct half of that SE tax amount from your income when calculating your regular income tax. It's not deducting more from your self-employment income, but rather it's reducing your taxable income for income tax purposes. This reflects the fact that employers normally pay half of these taxes for employees.

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JacksonHarris

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Here's a quick breakdown on self-employment tax that helped me: 1) You pay SE tax if net earnings are $400+ 2) The rate is 15.3% (12.4% Social Security + 2.9% Medicare) 3) Social Security part only applies to first $168,600 (for 2025) 4) You can deduct business expenses before calculating SE tax 5) On Schedule 1, you can deduct 50% of SE tax from gross income Don't forget to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties!

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Ryan Andre

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Thanks for breaking this down! So for my $7,800, if I have say $1,200 in expenses for software, equipment etc., I'd pay the SE tax on $6,600, right? And should I be making quarterly payments even though I just started mid-year?

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JacksonHarris

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Yes, if you have $7,800 in income and $1,200 in legitimate business expenses, you'd pay SE tax on the $6,600 net profit. The SE tax would be about $1,010 (15.3% of $6,600). For quarterly payments, if this is your first year with self-employment income, you might qualify for an exception to the penalty. However, it's generally a good idea to start making them as soon as you realize you'll have tax liability. For the current year, you can catch up by making larger payments in the remaining quarters. The IRS website has a form (1040-ES) to help calculate your estimated payments.

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A tip nobody mentioned yet: keep track of your MILEAGE if you drive for your business! This is huge for self-employment deductions. Current rate is like 67 cents per mile for 2025 (check the exact amount) and it adds up fast. Also, dont forget about the QBI deduction (Qualified Business Income) which lets you deduct up to 20% of your business profit depending on your total income. This is separate from expenses and the SE tax deduction!

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Royal_GM_Mark

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The QBI deduction is amazing! But isn't there an income limit? I think I remember reading somewhere that it phases out if you make too much.

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