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Roger Romero

Do you have to pay state taxes if you are self employed? Worried about filing requirements

So I've been freelancing for about 8 months now (graphic design stuff mostly) and I'm trying to figure out this whole tax situation. I know I have to deal with federal self-employment tax, but I'm confused about state taxes. From what I've heard, states don't actually have a specific "self-employment tax" like the federal government does with the 15.3% thing. So if I don't make enough to hit the income tax threshold in my state, would I still need to pay anything at all? I made about $19,400 this year. I know I still have to file a state return regardless, but I'm wondering if it'll just show $0 owed and $0 refund if I'm under whatever the threshold is. Anyone have experience with this? I'm in a state with income tax if that matters.

Anna Kerber

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You're right that states don't have a separate "self-employment tax" like the federal 15.3% SE tax. The self-employment tax is strictly a federal tax that covers your Social Security and Medicare contributions. For state taxes, you'll be taxed just like any other income earner - through income tax. Each state has different rules, exemptions, and minimum thresholds. If your income after deductions falls below your state's minimum taxable threshold, then yes, you might end up with $0 owed. But that threshold varies widely depending on which state you live in. Remember that even if you don't owe state income tax, you still need to file a return if you had income above the state's filing threshold (which is often lower than the taxable threshold). Also, don't forget that some cities and counties have their own local income taxes that might apply to self-employment income.

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Niko Ramsey

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Thanks for the explanation. Do self-employed people get to deduct the same things on state taxes as they do on federal? Like home office, business expenses, etc? And does the state tax return use the same Schedule C info?

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Anna Kerber

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Most states do allow the same business deductions that you claim on your federal Schedule C, so your home office, business supplies, software subscriptions, and other legitimate business expenses would reduce your taxable income on both federal and state returns. State returns typically use information from your federal return as a starting point, including your Schedule C profit or loss. However, there might be some adjustments specific to your state. Some states have their own forms for business income while others simply reference the federal numbers. Check your specific state's tax department website for details about their particular requirements.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - some states have minimum taxes for businesses even if you don't have enough income to owe regular income tax. For example, I'm in California and have an LLC for my freelance work, and I have to pay the $800 minimum franchise tax even if I don't make enough to owe income tax. Double check if your state has something similar!

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Marcus Marsh

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Does this apply to sole proprietors too or just formal business entities like LLCs and corporations? I'm self-employed but haven't formed an LLC or anything.

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If you're operating as a sole proprietor (meaning you haven't formally created an LLC, corporation, etc.), then you typically won't face these minimum taxes or franchise fees in most states. Those minimum taxes usually only kick in when you've created a formal business entity. For sole proprietors, you're generally just subject to the regular income tax rules of your state. This is actually one reason some freelancers choose to remain sole proprietors rather than forming an LLC - to avoid these minimum taxes when they're just starting out or not making much income.

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don't forget about quarterly estimated taxes for both federal AND state if your self employed!! i totally messed this up my first year and got hit with underpayment penalties from both. even if you end up owing $0 to your state at the end of the year, you might still need to make estimated payments throughout the year based on what you EXPECT to owe.

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Cedric Chung

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How much do you have to make before you need to do the quarterly payments? Is there a threshold?

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