Starting Self Employment in 2024 - Do I Need to Pay Estimated Self Employment Tax?
I just started freelancing as a graphic designer this year, and I'm projecting to make roughly $28,000 from this self-employed work by December, plus about $4,000 from a part-time retail job I had in the first quarter (got a W-2 for that). I'm trying to figure out if I need to make quarterly estimated tax payments for self employment tax. The IRS website has this section under Estimated taxes that's confusing me: "You don't have to pay estimated tax for the current year if you meet all three of the following conditions. * You had no tax liability for the prior year * You were a U.S. citizen or resident alien for the whole year * Your prior tax year covered a 12-month period" I'm assuming this covers both federal/state income tax AND self-employment tax? To double-check, I downloaded Form 1040-ES and worked through the Estimate tax worksheet for Form 1040-SS filers. Line 6c says to choose the smaller of 6a: 90% of 2024 Estimated taxable income: $3,578, and 6b: Tax amount from 2023 = $0, and this is the annual estimated payment I should make. So does this mean because I had zero tax liability last year (or specifically zero self-employment tax liability), I don't have to make quarterly estimated payments? Does this just mean I'll be responsible for paying the full 15.3% on all my 2024 self-employed income when I file my return in early 2025? And for regular income tax, will it be 10% on whatever exceeds the standard deduction of $14,600? (Assuming I don't hit the next tax bracket
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Ethan Taylor
You're understanding it correctly! Since you had no tax liability last year (2023), you meet the safe harbor provision for 2024, which means you don't have to make quarterly estimated tax payments this year, even with your self-employment income. However, just be prepared for a potentially large tax bill when you file in 2025. You'll owe self-employment tax (15.3% on 92.35% of your self-employment income) plus income tax on your total income minus deductions. The self-employment tax covers your Social Security and Medicare contributions that would normally be withheld by an employer. For planning purposes, you should set aside approximately 25-30% of your self-employment income for taxes. This will cover both the self-employment tax and income tax. You can pay it all when you file your 2024 return in 2025 without penalties, thanks to the safe harbor provision.
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Aisha Khan
•Thanks for confirming! So just to be super clear, for 2024 I won't face any underpayment penalties if I just pay everything when I file in 2025? Even though I'll owe a decent amount between SE tax and income tax?
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Ethan Taylor
•Correct, you won't face any underpayment penalties for 2024 because you had zero tax liability in 2023. This is a special "get out of jail free" card that the IRS gives to people in your situation. Just remember that this only applies for this tax year - for 2025, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated payments since you will have had tax liability in 2024. I still recommend setting aside money regularly for taxes so you aren't scrambling to come up with a large sum when you file. Some freelancers open a separate savings account just for taxes and deposit 25-30% of each payment they receive.
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Yuki Ito
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Carmen Lopez
•Does it actually look at your specific situation though? I've tried tax calculators before and they just seem like glorified math formulas that don't actually understand the nuances of tax law.
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Andre Dupont
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Carmen Lopez
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QuantumQuasar
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Zoe Papanikolaou
•Wait, so how does this actually work? Does it somehow bypass the IRS phone queue? That sounds impossible.
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Jamal Wilson
•Yeah right... like a service can magically get you through to the IRS when millions of people can't get through. Sounds like a scam to me. I'll stick with waiting on hold for 3 hours like everyone else.
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QuantumQuasar
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Jamal Wilson
OK I have to eat crow here. After my skeptical comment, I was still desperate to talk to the IRS about my self-employment situation since it was similar to the original poster's, so I tried Claimyr. Not expecting much, honestly. It actually worked exactly as described. Their system waited on hold with the IRS for about 90 minutes (which I didn't have to sit through), then I got a call connecting me to an actual IRS representative. The agent confirmed that I was correct about the safe harbor rule - since I had no tax liability last year, I don't need to make estimated tax payments this year regardless of my self-employment income. The agent also explained that next year I will need to make quarterly payments since I'll have had a tax liability this year. I'm actually relieved to have official confirmation rather than just interpreting the rules myself.
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Mei Lin
Something the other comments haven't mentioned - don't forget about your state taxes! The federal safe harbor rule about having no tax liability last year may not apply the same way for your state estimated taxes. Here in California, for example, they have their own rules about when you need to make estimated payments. Also, even though you don't have to make quarterly payments this year, it might be a good idea to make some voluntary payments anyway. When I first started freelancing, I didn't pay anything until tax time and got hit with a $6,000 bill that was really hard to manage all at once. Setting aside some money each month helps a lot.
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Aisha Khan
•Good point about state taxes! I'm in Illinois and haven't even thought about that side of things. Would I use the same 1040-ES form to calculate what I might owe the state, or is there a separate process for that?
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Mei Lin
•For state taxes, you'll need to use your state's specific forms, not the federal 1040-ES. Each state has its own estimated tax forms and procedures. For Illinois, you'll want to look up form IL-1040-ES, which is their estimated tax payment form. States also have different thresholds and requirements for when you need to make estimated payments. Some states follow the federal safe harbor rules, while others have their own unique requirements. I'd recommend checking the Illinois Department of Revenue website or giving them a call to confirm their specific rules about estimated taxes for self-employment income.
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Liam Fitzgerald
Don't forget you can deduct half of your self-employment tax on your 1040! A lot of new freelancers miss this. So while you pay 15.3% on your self-employment income, you get to deduct 7.65% of that when calculating your income tax. It doesn't reduce your SE tax, but it does lower your income tax. Also, track ALL your business expenses - software, equipment, portion of internet/phone used for business, mileage for business travel, etc. These reduce your net self-employment income, which lowers both your SE tax and income tax.
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Amara Nnamani
•Is the self-employment tax deduction an itemized deduction or can you take it even if you use the standard deduction?
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