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Isabella Ferreira

Need help figuring out quarterly tax payments for self-employment!

Hey everyone, I'm totally new to this self-employment tax stuff and could use some guidance. I just learned about quarterly estimated taxes and I'm trying to figure out if I need to start making payments this year without paying someone to tell me. My situation: 1. Started as an independent contractor in August 2023 2. Didn't have any tax obligations for 2022 3. Already filed my 2023 taxes and ended up owing about $1,400 on roughly $12k of freelance income 4. My tax return showed $0 penalty for not making estimated payments last year 5. For 2024, I'm projecting I'll make around $40k from my contractor work Do I need to start making quarterly payments now? I've heard some people mention there's a one-year grace period for new self-employed folks, but I'm not sure if that applies to me since I already filed for one partial year. Also, if I do need to start making payments, how exactly do I figure out how much to pay? Any help would be super appreciated!

Ravi Sharma

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The "grace period" you heard about is likely referring to the safe harbor provisions for avoiding underpayment penalties. Here's what you need to know: For 2024, you'll generally need to make quarterly estimated tax payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file next year. Based on your projected $40k income, you'll almost certainly exceed that threshold. The IRS has three safe harbor options to avoid penalties: - Pay 90% of your current year tax liability through withholding/estimated payments - Pay 100% of your prior year tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) - Pay within $1,000 of your actual tax due Since you were a new contractor in 2023 with only partial-year income, your prior year liability might be lower than what you'll owe for 2024. This could make the second option attractive. To calculate payments, you can use Form 1040-ES and the estimated tax worksheet. Essentially, you'll estimate your 2024 income, calculate the tax and self-employment tax, divide by 4, and make payments by the quarterly due dates (April 15, June 15, Sept 15, and Jan 15 of the following year).

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Freya Thomsen

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What about the first year penalty waiver? I thought first time self employed dont get penalties? Also is there an app that helps calculate this for you?

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Ravi Sharma

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There isn't a universal "first year penalty waiver" for self-employment taxes. The IRS doesn't automatically waive penalties just because it's your first year being self-employed. The safe harbor provisions I mentioned are what protect you from penalties. There are several good apps and online calculators that can help you estimate your quarterly payments. QuickBooks Self-Employed, TurboTax Self-Employed, and TaxSlayer have features that help track income and calculate estimated payments. Even the IRS website has a withholding estimator that can be helpful. Most tax software also includes worksheets for calculating your estimated payments.

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Omar Zaki

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AstroAce

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I'm kinda skeptical tbh. How is this any different than just using the IRS worksheet or something like TurboTax? Seems like just another subscription to pay for.

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Diego Rojas

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Zara Ahmed

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For your situation, I'd recommend using the 100% prior year tax liability safe harbor. Since you only owed $1,400 for 2023, you could simply divide that by 4 and pay $350 per quarter for 2024. That would guarantee no penalties even if your income jumps to $40k. If you want to be more precise, estimate your 2024 tax liability (including self-employment tax which is about 15.3% of your net profit) and divide by 4. Remember that quarterly due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 (2025). You can pay online through the IRS Direct Pay system which is free and pretty straightforward.

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Isn't the June payment actually due on June 17th this year? I thought I saw something about that online. And do I calculate the self-employment tax separately or is there a combined form or calculator?

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Zara Ahmed

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You're right about the June deadline this year - it's June 17, 2024 (the 15th falls on a weekend). Good catch! For calculating your payments, the self-employment tax is actually part of the total tax calculation on the 1040-ES worksheet. You don't need to calculate it separately for your quarterly payments. The worksheet walks you through calculating both your income tax and self-employment tax, then combines them to determine your total estimated tax payments. This ensures you're covering both your income tax and SE tax obligations with your quarterly payments.

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StarStrider

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Quick tip that saved me a ton of stress: set up an IRS online account if you haven't already. It lets you see your payment history, make payments, and set up payment plans. Makes the whole quarterly tax thing so much easier to manage. I had the same issue last year - started contracting midyear and was confused about quarterly requirements. I just divided my expected annual tax by 4 and paid each quarter. As long as you're making a good faith effort, the IRS is fairly reasonable.

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