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Ava Rodriguez

W2 and self-employment tax filing questions: quarterly vs annual requirements

Hey tax folks, So my regular tax guy basically disappears after April and I can't reach him at all right now. I had a regular job with W2 income until March this year, but have since been working exclusively as a freelance programmer doing contract work for several tech companies. I know self-employment income usually requires quarterly tax payments, but I've heard conflicting things about whether having W2 income earlier in the year changes that requirement. My specific questions: Do I need to start making quarterly tax payments now that my only income is from self-employment? I just realized the June payment deadline already passed - am I going to get hit with penalties since I haven't made any payments yet? If I end up getting hired somewhere with W2 income again later this year, how does that affect my filing requirements? Should I bug my tax guy during his "off-season" or is this something simple enough to handle myself without screwing up my W2 tax situation? I'm pretty clueless when it comes to taxes so any help would be hugely appreciated! Thanks!

Miguel Ortiz

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Yes, you should be making quarterly estimated tax payments now that you're self-employed. Here's what you need to know: When you have W2 employment, taxes are automatically withheld from your paycheck. With self-employment, you're responsible for paying those taxes yourself through estimated quarterly payments. The fact that you had W2 income earlier in the year doesn't exempt you from making quarterly payments now. Regarding penalties: The IRS calculates underpayment penalties based on how much you should have paid versus what you actually paid. You might face some penalties for missing the June deadline, but they're generally pretty small (interest-based). The good news is you can minimize future penalties by starting payments now. If you get another W2 job, you could increase your withholding on that W2 to cover your self-employment tax liability, potentially eliminating the need for separate quarterly payments. This is definitely something you can handle yourself. Use tax software or the IRS Form 1040-ES worksheet to calculate your estimated payments. You can make payments online through the IRS Direct Pay system.

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Zainab Khalil

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Quick followup question - if I get a W2 job again and want to increase withholding to cover self-employment taxes, is there a specific way to calculate how much extra to withhold? Do I just put a random additional amount on my W-4? And would I still need to make any quarterly payments for the months I was self-employed before getting the W2 job?

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Miguel Ortiz

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You'd use the "extra withholding" line on your W-4 form. To calculate the amount, estimate your annual self-employment income, multiply by about 15% for self-employment tax, then add your estimated income tax based on your tax bracket (roughly 10-24% for most people). Divide that total by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. For the months you were self-employed before getting the W2 job, you should still make quarterly payments to cover that period. Once you start the W2 job with increased withholding, that would cover your future tax liability.

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QuantumQuest

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Amina Sow

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I was in your exact position last year! Had a regular job til April, then went freelance. What I learned: 1) Yes, you need to start making quarterly payments now that you're only self-employed 2) The penalty for missing June isn't huge if you pay soon, it's based on a percentage of what you owe 3) If you get another W2 job, you can adjust your withholding to cover SE taxes (form W-4, extra withholding line) 4) You can absolutely do this yourself! Just use the 1040-ES form on the IRS website One thing nobody told me: make sure to set aside around 30-35% of your income for taxes. Self-employment tax is brutal cuz you pay both halves of FICA (15.3% total), plus income tax.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Thanks so much for the detailed response! That 30-35% recommendation is super helpful - I've been setting aside about 20% and was worried that might not be enough. Do you have any recommendations for how to track income/expenses throughout the year to make tax time easier?

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Amina Sow

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I use a simple spreadsheet to track all my income and business expenses. Create columns for date, client, amount, payment method, and a notes section for details. For expenses, track date, vendor, amount, category (software, equipment, etc), and keep all receipts. The absolute best thing I did was open a separate checking account just for my business. All income goes in there, and all business expenses come out of it. Makes tracking MUCH easier and creates a clean audit trail if you ever need it. Plus, when tax time comes, you can just download the annual statement instead of trying to separate personal and business transactions.

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GalaxyGazer

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Don't panic about the missed June payment! The IRS isn't as scary as everyone makes them out to be. I missed TWO quarterly payments last year when I switched from W2 to freelancing and the penalty was only like $75 when I filed. The most important thing is to start making payments now for September and January. You can easily do this online at IRS.gov using Direct Pay - takes like 5 minutes. And definitely dont worry about "bothering" your accountant. That's literally his job! Even if it's his off season, he should at least respond to urgent questions. If he won't, might be time to find someone new.

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Oliver Wagner

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Be careful with this advice. Penalties vary GREATLY depending on how much you owe. I missed a quarterly payment on $20k of freelance income and my penalty was over $400. It depends on your income level and how much you underpaid.

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Yuki Ito

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I've been freelancing for about 3 years now and can share some practical advice from my experience: For your first question - yes, definitely start making quarterly payments now. The general rule is if you expect to owe $1,000+ in taxes when you file, you need to make estimated payments. Regarding the June deadline - don't stress too much about it. The penalty is calculated as a percentage (currently around 8% annually) of the underpaid amount for the time it was late. So if you owe $2,000 for that quarter and pay it 2 months late, you're looking at maybe $25-50 in penalties, not hundreds. One thing that really helped me was using the "safe harbor" rule - if you pay 100% of what you owed last year (or 110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k), you won't face any penalties even if you end up owing more when you file. This gives you a baseline to work with. For tracking, I highly recommend QuickBooks Self-Employed or even just a dedicated business bank account like others mentioned. Makes everything so much cleaner at tax time. And honestly, if your tax guy disappears completely during off-season, that's a red flag. A good tax professional should at least be available for urgent questions year-round, even if they're busier in spring.

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James Maki

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the safe harbor rule explanation! I had no idea that paying 100% of last year's tax liability could protect me from penalties. That actually makes this way less stressful since I can just look at my 2023 return to get a baseline. Quick question about the safe harbor rule - does that 100% apply to just income tax or does it include the self-employment tax portion too? And when you say "what you owed last year," do you mean the total tax liability or just what I had to pay when filing (after accounting for W2 withholdings)? Also totally agree about the tax guy situation being a red flag. I'm starting to think I need to find someone who's more accessible year-round, especially now that I'm self-employed and likely to have ongoing questions.

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