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One thing to watch out for - if your MBA would qualify you for a new trade or business (like switching careers completely), the IRS might disallow the deduction. I tried to deduct my MBA when I was transitioning from property management to investment banking and got audited. Make sure your education is improving skills for your CURRENT business, not preparing you for something new.
Thanks for that warning. My goal isn't to change careers - I'm planning to expand my real estate portfolio and possibly move into commercial properties in the future. Would that still count as my "current" business or would the IRS see commercial real estate as a new trade?
Expanding from residential to commercial real estate would generally still be considered the same trade or business since you're still in property management and real estate investment. The IRS would likely view this as a natural progression within your current business rather than entering a new field entirely. Going from real estate into something completely different like investment banking (as in my case) is what triggers the "new trade or business" limitation. Just make sure you document your intention to expand within real estate rather than presenting it as preparation for a career change.
Has anyone used TurboTax to claim education expenses for rental property? I'm trying to figure out where to enter this and it's not obvious. The education expense section seems focused on student tax credits not business deductions.
In TurboTax, you'd enter it under the Schedule E section for your rental property. When you get to the expenses part for each property, there's an "Other Expenses" category where you can add custom expense items. That's where I put my real estate continuing education costs last year.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but you should also ask your employer if they can issue a corrected W-2. If they acknowledge it was their payroll system error, they might be willing to handle the employer portion of the taxes that should have been withheld. Had a similar issue at my last job and the company actually covered about 40% of what I owed since it was their mistake.
Wait, can employers actually do that? I assumed once the year was over, all the tax stuff was set in stone. Can they really go back and fix withholding errors after the fact?
They can't change the actual withholding after the year ends, but there are a couple of options. First, they can issue a corrected W-2 if there were actual errors in reporting. More practically though, some employers will provide compensation to cover tax liabilities resulting from their payroll errors - basically paying you an additional amount to offset some of your tax burden. This isn't required by law, but many companies have policies for this since payroll errors can cause significant financial hardship for employees. It's worth having a conversation with both HR and payroll about their error resolution policies. Document everything, be polite but firm that this was their error, and ask what they can do to help make it right.
Something similar happened to me last year. Make sure when you file that you check if you qualify for the "Estimated Tax Penalty" waiver - Form 2210. There's a special waiver if your withholding was done correctly in the beginning of the year but then stopped. You'll still owe the taxes but might get the underpayment penalty waived.
One thing nobody has mentioned is that W-2 withholding is treated differently than estimated payments when it comes to underpayment penalties. Withholding from paychecks is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if it didn't. So if you have both self-employment income AND a regular job, you could potentially increase your W-2 withholding toward the end of the year to make up for any estimated payment shortfalls from earlier quarters. The IRS treats that withholding as if it happened throughout the year, which can help you avoid the penalty. I do this every December - calculate what I might be short on estimated payments and adjust my W-2 withholding for my last few paychecks to compensate.
Does this also work with retirement account withholding? I take distributions from my IRA and could potentially increase the withholding there instead of making estimated payments.
Yes, it absolutely works with retirement account withholding too! Any federal income tax withholding (from W-2 wages, retirement distributions, etc.) is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, regardless of when it actually happened. So increasing your IRA distribution withholding late in the year is a perfectly valid strategy to make up for estimated payment shortfalls. It's especially useful if you realize in November or December that you're going to owe more than expected.
One thing to be aware of is that the 100% of previous year's tax (or 110% for higher incomes) safe harbor is based on your TOTAL tax from last year, not just what you paid in estimated payments. So you need to look at your 2024 Form 1040, line 24 (Total Tax) to know what number you need to hit for 2025. This includes self-employment tax, additional Medicare tax, net investment income tax, etc. - not just income tax. Also, if your income is over $150,000 (or $75,000 if married filing separately), you need to pay 110% of last year's tax to meet the safe harbor, not just 100%.
Don't forget to claim all your mileage from doing Doordash! I did delivery apps in 2021 too and the standard mileage deduction was 56 cents per mile. That adds up FAST and can reduce your taxable income significantly. Make sure you go back and estimate your mileage as accurately as possible - total miles driven for deliveries, not just from restaurant to customer but also getting to the restaurant. If you drove 100 miles a week for Doordash, that's about $2,912 in deductions for the year!
Wait really? The mileage deduction is that much? I never tracked my miles but I was doing Doordash like 4 nights a week for about 8 months. How would I even calculate that now after so much time has passed?
You can create a reasonable estimate based on your delivery history. Most delivery apps keep a record of your deliveries - try to get that data from Doordash if you can. If that's not possible, make a good faith estimate. Calculate your average deliveries per shift, estimate miles per delivery (including driving to pickup locations), and multiply by your working days. Document how you arrived at this estimate in case of questions. For 4 nights a week for 8 months, you're looking at roughly 128 working days. Even at a conservative 30 miles per shift, that's 3,840 miles or about $2,150 in deductions! Just be honest but thorough - this could significantly reduce what you owe.
Make sure you also check if you need to file a state tax return for that Doordash income! The IRS notice is just for federal taxes, but most states will also want their cut and have separate filing requirements.
Good point about state taxes. One thing to add - some cities also have local income taxes that apply to self-employment income. I found out the hard way after getting a notice from my city tax department a year after dealing with the IRS!
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5 Just to add another perspective - I'm a small salon owner, and sometimes there are legitimate reasons for 1099 discrepancies, though $4,800 seems excessive. Sometimes business owners count credit card processing fees or booth rental against contractor payments. This isn't correct practice, but it happens. I would recommend your brother check his payment records carefully - does he have receipts for every payment? Bank deposits? Cash app records? Having solid documentation is crucial regardless of whether the salon corrects the form or not.
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ā¢22 Do credit card fees really add up to that much though? And even if they do, isn't it illegal to deduct those from reported contractor payments? I thought the 1099 was supposed to show the gross amount paid.
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ā¢5 Credit card fees typically run 2-3%, so no, they wouldn't account for a $4,800 discrepancy unless your brother earned well over $150,000 from this one shop. You're absolutely right that the 1099-NEC should show the gross amount paid to the contractor before any fees. What sometimes happens (incorrectly) is that salon owners might deduct booth rental fees or product charges before calculating the 1099 amount. This is incorrect - those should be handled separately, and the 1099 should reflect the total payments made to the contractor.
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18 Make sure your brother keeps immaculate records going forward! I'm a barber too and I use a simple spreadsheet where I record EVERY transaction, including tips. I also take pictures of daily receipts and keep all payment app notifications. This has saved me twice when dealing with incorrect 1099s. Remember that even if the barbershop doesn't fix their mistake, your brother is legally obligated to report his full income. The last thing he wants is an audit where he can't substantiate his actual earnings!
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ā¢1 Thank you all for the advice! I'm showing my brother this thread tonight. He does keep pretty good records with a booking app that tracks all his appointments and payments, plus he has his bank statements showing deposits. I think we'll start with a formal written request for a corrected 1099-NEC, and if that doesn't work, he'll report the full income anyway and keep all his documentation ready. And maybe check out some of these services you've all recommended to make sure he's handling everything correctly!
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