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Just a heads up for anyone with worthless stocks - make sure you report the correct dates! The IRS considers a stock to be worthless in the year it actually became worthless, not necessarily when you sell it for pennies. For the failed banks last year, the date of FDIC takeover is generally considered the worthless date. Also, keep good records about your cost basis (what you originally paid) because that determines your loss amount. If you bought shares at different times at different prices, you'll need to calculate the average cost or identify specific lots.
What if I already filed my taxes but didn't include these losses? Can I file an amended return to claim them or would that increase my audit risk?
You can absolutely file an amended return to claim losses you forgot to include. Use Form 1040-X for the amendment along with a corrected Schedule D showing the capital losses. The general time limit for filing amendments to claim a refund is within 3 years from the date you filed your original return or within 2 years from when you paid the tax, whichever is later. As for audit risk, claiming legitimate losses you're entitled to shouldn't significantly increase your risk if you have the documentation to support them. Just make sure you keep records showing your basis in the shares and evidence of when they became worthless.
Anyone using TurboTax to report these bank stock losses? I'm trying to figure out where exactly to enter this and if it'll automatically handle the carryforward amounts.
In TurboTax, you need to go to the Investments & Rental Properties section, then select Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds, Other. It will ask for the sale information and your cost basis. Make sure to enter your actual sales (even if pennies) rather than just marking it as worthless. It does track carryforward losses automatically for future years.
Just to add some clarification since there's confusion in this thread. The April 15 deadline is for when you need to REQUEST the removal of excess deferrals - not when it needs to be processed by. If you document your attempt to request it before April 15 (emails, calls, etc), you've met the deadline even if the actual processing happens later. The IRS understands that plan administrators might not process these immediately. What matters is that you initiated the request before the deadline. Keep all documentation of your attempts to contact them. Also, the tax consequences aren't as bad as many fear. The excess amount will be returned to you along with earnings, and while you'll pay taxes on the earnings in the year received, you won't be double-taxed on the principal amount.
What exactly happens if you miss the deadline completely? Does the IRS automatically find out and penalize you, or is it something that only comes up if you get audited? Asking for a friend who may have missed this deadline last year...
If the excess contributions aren't removed by the deadline, they unfortunately remain in the plan and yes, they can be double-taxed. The excess amount will still be included in your taxable income for the year you made the contribution, and then it will be taxed again when you eventually withdraw it in retirement. There's no immediate penalty per se, but the double taxation is the real cost. The IRS doesn't automatically flag this - it would typically only come up during an audit. However, many plan administrators now report contribution limits to the IRS, so it's becoming more likely to be caught. Your friend should consult with a tax professional about their specific situation as there might be some remediation options depending on their circumstances.
Quick tip that saved me when I was in this situation - if you have Traditional (pre-tax) contributions that put you over the limit, you might be able to redesignate them as after-tax contributions rather than taking a distribution. Some plans allow this and it can be easier than processing a refund. Ask about "recharacterization" when you talk to your plan admins. Also, make sure you check if you're eligible for catch-up contributions if you're over 50 - that gives you an extra $7,500 contribution room for 2025, which might reduce your excess amount.
This is actually incorrect advice that could cause more problems. You can't simply "redesignate" excess 401k contributions as after-tax contributions. The 401k contribution limit applies to the total of traditional and Roth contributions combined. After-tax contributions (non-Roth) are different and subject to the overall annual addition limit, not the employee deferral limit. What you might be thinking of is excess IRA contributions, which can sometimes be recharacterized, but 401k excess deferrals must be distributed with earnings.
You're right and I misspoke. I was confusing 401k with IRA recharacterization options. For 401ks, distribution of the excess is generally the only option. Thanks for the correction! What I should have mentioned is that some 401k plans do have after-tax contribution options (separate from Roth) which have different limits, but that wouldn't help with excess contributions to the regular pre-tax/Roth portion that's subject to the $23,000 limit for 2025.
Have you considered a bookkeeper who partners with a CPA? I pay about $75/month for bookkeeping (they categorize everything, reconcile accounts, provide monthly reports) and then $500 at tax time for my business and personal returns. Ends up being less than what you're paying and I get year-round financial organization too.
That sounds really promising. Do you find the monthly bookkeeping actually helps with your business throughout the year or is it mainly just for tax prep?
It's been incredibly helpful throughout the year. I get monthly profit and loss statements that help me track where money is going, which has helped me identify areas to cut costs. The bookkeeper also helps me understand which parts of my business are most profitable. Tax time is so much easier now too. Instead of scrambling to organize a year's worth of receipts and transactions, everything is already categorized and ready. My CPA literally told me I'm saving money on tax prep because they don't have to spend hours organizing my financial information first.
Why not try doing it yourself with TurboTax Self-Employed? It's what I use for my LLC and personal taxes. Costs about $170 total and walks you through everything. Unless your business is super complicated, it might be worth trying.
I tried that route one year and ended up missing a major deduction that an accountant caught the following year. Software is fine for W-2 employees but business taxes have too many gray areas where professional judgment matters.
17 Have you considered using a tax preparation service like H&R Block or Jackson Hewitt? They're typically less expensive than independent CPAs and often have small business specialists. They also offer year-round support, not just during tax season. I used H&R Block's small business services when I started my etsy shop last year and paid around $350 total for the year, including quarterly estimates and my annual return. Much more affordable than the quotes I got from private CPAs.
1 I was thinking about that! Did they help with identifying deductions throughout the year or was it more just for the filing part? And did you work with the same person each time or get random preparers?
17 They absolutely helped with deductions throughout the year. I had an initial consultation where they set me up with a tracking system for business expenses and explained what to save receipts for. You can request the same preparer each time, which I definitely recommend. I worked with the same woman for all my quarterly stuff and my annual return, which was great because she remembered my business details and could spot trends in my expenses. Just make sure to ask for their small business specialist specifically - the regular preparers might not have the same level of expertise with self-employment taxes.
3 I recently found out that some professional organizations and chambers of commerce offer discounted tax services for members. I joined my local chamber for $175/year and got access to a CPA who charges members 30% less than his regular rate. Might be worth checking if your industry has a professional association with similar benefits.
13 That's actually brilliant. Do they offer other business services too? Might be worth joining for multiple benefits.
Eli Wang
You should pull your tax transcripts ASAP. That will show the actual assessment date and collection statute expiration date (CSED). You can get them online at IRS.gov if you create an account, or use Form 4506-T if you can't create an online account. Look for "collection statute date" or something similar on the transcript. The transcript will also show if the debt was ever paid, discharged, or is still active. The IRS data system is pretty good about tracking these dates accurately, including adjustments for bankruptcy.
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Olivia Evans
ā¢I tried logging into the IRS website but I'm locked out because I don't have the right documents they need to verify my identity. Is there any other way to get transcripts without waiting for the mail?
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Eli Wang
ā¢If you're having trouble with the online account, you can also call the IRS transcript request line at 800-908-9946 to have them mailed, which is faster than using Form 4506-T. They typically arrive within 5-10 business days. Another option is to make an appointment at your local Taxpayer Assistance Center where they can print your transcripts on the spot. You'll need to bring ID, but it's a way to get them immediately without dealing with the online verification issues.
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Cassandra Moon
My dad had a similar situation with a 2008 tax bill that resurfaced in 2021. What we discovered is that the IRS had made an additional assessment in 2014 (some adjustment to his return), which reset the 10-year clock! So even though the original assessment was old, this new assessment gave them more time. Check your transcripts carefully for any subsequent assessments that might have extended the timeframe.
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Zane Hernandez
ā¢That's a really important point! Any adjustments or additional assessments can start a new collection statute for those specific amounts. I've seen people get surprised by this too.
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Cassandra Moon
ā¢Yeah it was a complete shock to us! The IRS had disallowed a deduction years after the return was filed and assessed additional tax. Even though it was a small amount (like $840), it created a new 10-year collection period for that portion. And they were definitely still trying to collect it.
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