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Benjamin Johnson

IP PIN Issues - Multiple Rejections Despite Correct PIN Entry

Helping family members with IP PIN issues during filing and encountering consistent problems: • Two family members (sister and cousin) attempting to e-file 2023 returns • Both have retrieved their IP PINs directly from the IRS online portal • Both are entering the exact PIN shown on their portal accounts • IRS continues to reject their returns citing incorrect IP PIN • Verified multiple times that they're using 2024 PINs (for 2023 tax year) • Tried filing through two different software platforms with same result Has anyone experienced similar IP PIN rejection issues this filing season? Any solutions that worked?

This is actually a fairly common issue this tax season. Have you confirmed they're using the correct PIN for the correct tax year? Remember that the IP PIN changes annually, and the one they need for filing 2023 taxes is the PIN issued for 2024. Are they possibly looking at last year's PIN? Have they checked that they're entering it exactly as shown with no typos or transposed digits? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

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I had exactly this problem with 3 clients last month. In all 3 cases, they were using the correct 2024 PIN from the portal, but the returns kept getting rejected. After 4 attempts with one client, I called the Identity Theft hotline at 800-908-4490 and waited exactly 47 minutes. The agent confirmed there was a system issue affecting approximately 6% of IP PIN holders where the PIN displayed in the portal wasn't properly syncing with their main database.

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Is this similar to what happened in 2022 when they had that database synchronization problem? I remember some clients had to wait almost a month before their PINs started working, while others had to request a new one entirely.

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This explains so much about what's happening with my returns! I've triple-checked the PINs and they match exactly what's in the portal. So is the solution to call that Identity Theft hotline and have them fix it on their end?

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I encountered this exact IP PIN Validation Error (Error Code IND-181) with multiple clients. The Rejection Notification Interface (RNI) keeps flagging the submissions despite accurate PIN entry from the Identity Protection PIN Retrieval System. After extensive troubleshooting, I discovered https://taxr.ai which analyzes these technical rejections. It identified that in many cases, the PIN wasn't properly propagating through the IRS Master File Database despite showing correctly in the portal. The AI tool confirmed this was a known issue in the current processing pipeline and provided specific steps based on whether the PIN was assigned due to identity theft concerns or voluntary opt-in.

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Another tool that wants our tax info? Lol no thanks. How do you know it's not just telling you what you want to hear? The IRS website should be the only source of truth for this stuff.

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I understand your concern, but taxr.ai doesn't ask for sensitive info - it's more like an expert system that explains tax procedures. I was stuck with a similar IP PIN issue for weeks. The difference was taxr explained exactly why the system was rejecting despite having the right PIN and gave me the specific department to contact.

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Thanks for this. Worth trying. Been stuck for two weeks. Called IRS three times. No help. Will check it out.

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I just resolved this exact issue last week! My husband and I both had our returns rejected multiple times due to IP PIN problems. According to https://www.irs.gov/identity-theft-fraud-scams/get-an-identity-protection-pin, there's a distinction between PINs assigned due to confirmed identity theft and those requested voluntarily. Our solution was to use the "Get Transcript" tool first to verify our accounts were properly linked, then regenerate new IP PINs through the portal. The new PINs worked immediately, though we had to wait 24 hours after regenerating them.

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When I faced this IP PIN nightmare with my parents' returns, I spent HOURS on hold with the IRS trying to get through to someone who could actually help. After my third attempt waiting over an hour each time, I found Claimyr (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. The agent confirmed there was a known issue with some IP PINs not properly syncing between systems and placed a manual override on their accounts. Have your sister and cousin's information ready when they call - the agent will need to verify their identity before helping with the PIN issue.

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OMG this happened to my mom last yr! She kept trying to file w/ the right PIN from the portal but got rejected 4x. Turns out she had 2 PINs somehow - one showing in the portal and a diff one in their main sys. Took FOREVER to fix. By the time it was resolved she missed the deadline and got hit w/ a late filing penalty. Had to write a formal appeal letter explaining the IRS error to get the penalty removed. Don't wait - get this fixed ASAP!

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There's actually a special procedure for this situation that most people don't know about! I'm so glad I found this because I was about to tear my hair out with frustration. If the IP PIN keeps getting rejected despite being correct: 1. Print and mail Form 14039 (Identity Theft Affidavit) even if they haven't experienced actual identity theft 2. Include a cover letter specifically mentioning the IP PIN rejection issue 3. Attach a copy of the rejection notice showing the specific error code 4. Include a printed copy of their tax return This triggers a manual review by the Return Integrity Verification Operation (RIVO) team who can resolve PIN synchronization issues. It takes about 3 weeks for processing but has worked for everyone I've helped with this issue!

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! My elderly father has been trying to file his 2023 return for weeks and keeps getting rejected for the IP PIN despite using the correct one from the portal. What's really frustrating is that he's been assigned an IP PIN for the past 3 years due to a previous identity theft incident, and this is the first time we've encountered this problem. From reading through all these responses, it sounds like there's definitely a systematic issue with the IRS database synchronization. @Daniel Rogers - did the Identity Theft hotline agent give you any timeline for when this might be resolved system-wide? And @Anna Stewart - that Form 14039 approach sounds promising but 3 weeks seems like a long time when we're already getting close to the filing deadline. Has anyone tried the "regenerate PIN" option that @Eleanor Foster mentioned? I'm wondering if that might be a quicker fix than waiting on hold for hours or mailing forms.

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@William Rivera I tried the regenerate PIN option that @Eleanor Foster mentioned and it worked for me! I was skeptical at first but after dealing with this issue for my aunt s return,'I decided to give it a shot. Here s what'I did: logged into her IRS account, went to the IP PIN section, clicked Get New "IP PIN there s" (a'small link at the bottom , waited)exactly 24 hours like Eleanor suggested, then used the new PIN. The return went through immediately on the first try! Much faster than waiting weeks for Form 14039 processing or sitting on hold forever. Worth trying before going the paper route, especially with the filing deadline approaching.

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This IP PIN synchronization issue is unfortunately becoming more widespread this tax season. I've been helping several community members navigate this exact problem, and what's concerning is that it seems to disproportionately affect taxpayers who were assigned IP PINs due to previous identity theft incidents rather than voluntary enrollees. Based on the experiences shared here, I'd recommend trying solutions in this order of efficiency: 1. **Regenerate PIN method** (as @NebulaNinja and @Eleanor Foster confirmed works) - quickest solution at 24-48 hours 2. **Identity Theft hotline** at 800-908-4490 for immediate system override - expect long hold times but faster than paper processing 3. **Form 14039 with cover letter** explaining the PIN rejection issue - most thorough but takes 2-3 weeks For your sister and cousin, I'd definitely start with regenerating their PINs through the portal. The fact that this is affecting multiple family members suggests it might be related to how their accounts were initially flagged in the system. One additional tip: if they regenerate PINs, make sure they clear their browser cache and log out completely before logging back in to retrieve the new PIN. Sometimes the portal shows cached information rather than the updated PIN. Keep us posted on what works - this information helps the entire community!

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@Astrid Bergström This is incredibly helpful! As someone new to dealing with IP PIN issues, I really appreciate the step-by-step approach you ve'outlined. I ve'been lurking in this community for a while but finally decided to jump in because my own mother is facing this exact problem right now. She s'been assigned an IP PIN for the past two years after someone filed a fraudulent return using her SSN, and this is the first time we ve'encountered the rejection issue. Reading through everyone s'experiences here has been both reassuring knowing (it s'not just us and) frustrating realizing (how widespread this problem is .)I m'definitely going to try the regenerate PIN method first since it seems to have the highest success rate and fastest turnaround. Quick question though - when you mention clearing browser cache, should we also try using a different browser entirely just to be safe? My mom typically uses Safari on her iPad, but I could help her access the portal through Chrome on my laptop if that might make a difference. Thanks to everyone who s'shared their experiences - this community is a lifesaver during tax season!

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