How to deduct business expenses for a new company with no income yet?
My wife started her own marketing consultancy last year and has an agreement with a larger marketing firm, but she didn't generate any revenue in the first year. She's invested quite a bit in business expenses though - client meetings, some equipment purchases, and set up a dedicated home office space. The thing is, she was still working her regular job at an advertising agency during this time, so she had W-2 income from that employer. I'm confused about how to handle this on our taxes (we're filing jointly). Since her business didn't make any money yet, can we still deduct all those startup expenses? Or do we lose the deduction this year and have to wait until her business actually brings in money next year? Seems unfair to not get any tax benefit from real business expenses just because the timing of income is delayed. Anyone dealt with this before? Our tax situation is pretty straightforward otherwise.
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Noland Curtis
You can absolutely deduct those business expenses even with no income! What you're describing is a business loss, and it's completely legitimate to claim it on your tax return. This happens all the time with new businesses. You'll need to file Schedule C to report the business expenses, even with $0 income. The resulting loss will offset your other income (including your wife's W-2 earnings), which will lower your overall tax liability. It's actually one of the few silver linings of a business not making money in its first year! Just make sure your wife's business is truly a business and not a hobby - the IRS looks at whether there's a profit motive. Since she has a contract with another company and is clearly setting up for future income, you should be fine. Keep good records of all expenses and how they relate to the business.
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Diez Ellis
•But doesn't the IRS have that "hobby loss" rule where they don't let you claim losses year after year? My brother tried to deduct his "photography business" expenses for 3 years but got audited because he never made money.
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Noland Curtis
•Yes, that's an important distinction. The IRS generally expects a business to show a profit in at least 3 out of 5 consecutive years (2 out of 7 for horse-related businesses) to avoid being classified as a hobby. This doesn't mean a business can't have a loss in its first year or even multiple years, especially during startup. The key is demonstrating a clear profit motive through business plans, marketing efforts, professional arrangements (like your wife's contract with the larger company), and business-like operations. Document everything that shows she's attempting to make a profit, not just pursuing an activity she enjoys.
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Vanessa Figueroa
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Abby Marshall
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Sadie Benitez
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Dominique Adams
Don't forget about Section 195 startup expenses! The tax code lets you deduct up to $5,000 of startup costs in the first year (with some limitations if your costs exceed $50,000). These are expenses you incur before your business is actually "in business." Then there are Section 179 deductions for equipment - you can write off up to $1,080,000 in 2023 for qualifying equipment purchases. The home office deduction is also available, but as others mentioned, the space must be used EXCLUSIVELY for business.
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Muhammad Hobbs
•Thanks for explaining this! Can you clarify what counts as "in business" though? Since my wife has the contract but hasn't started earning income yet, is she considered "in business" already or still in the startup phase?
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Dominique Adams
•The IRS considers a business to be "in business" when it begins operations and is ready to generate income, not necessarily when it actually receives its first dollar. Since your wife has a contract and has taken concrete steps to set up operations (meetings, equipment, office), she's likely already "in business" from a tax perspective, even without revenue yet. Those would generally be regular business expenses on Schedule C rather than amortized startup costs. But some of her very early expenses from before she had the contract might qualify as startup costs under Section 195. This is somewhat of a gray area where documentation of timing is important.
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Marilyn Dixon
Quick tip - if you're using tax software, most will specifically ask if you had a business with expenses but no income. Be sure to say YES and then enter all legitimate expenses. Don't get discouraged by software that keeps saying things like "are you sure this is a business?" Many businesses lose money in their first year or two, and the software is just trying to prevent hobby loss deductions.
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Louisa Ramirez
•TurboTax gave me such a hard time with this last year!! Kept asking if I was SURE it was a business since I had no income. Super annoying. Is H&R Block any better for this?
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Dana Doyle
I went through the exact same thing with my consulting business! Filed Schedule C with zero income and about $8,000 in legitimate business expenses - office setup, professional development, networking events, etc. The loss offset my W-2 income and saved us about $2,400 in taxes. The key thing that helped me was keeping meticulous records showing business intent. I documented my business plan, saved emails with potential clients, kept meeting notes, and made sure my home office was used exclusively for business. When you have a clear paper trail showing you're running a legitimate business (not a hobby), the IRS loss rules work in your favor. One thing to watch out for - some expenses like business meals are only 50% deductible, and there are limits on certain deductions. But overall, yes, you absolutely can and should claim those expenses even with no revenue yet!
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Lucas Schmidt
•This is exactly what I needed to hear! I'm in a similar situation with my freelance writing business - had expenses for a new laptop, office furniture, and some professional courses, but only made about $200 in revenue my first year. I was worried the IRS would flag it as a hobby, but it sounds like as long as I have documentation showing I'm serious about making it profitable, I should be okay to deduct those expenses against my day job income. Did you have any issues during tax filing or afterward with the IRS questioning your business status?
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CosmicCadet
This is a really common situation with new businesses! You're absolutely right to claim those expenses even without revenue yet. I had a similar setup with my web design business - worked my day job while building the business on the side, had legitimate expenses but no income the first year. The key is that you're running a legitimate business with profit motive (which your wife clearly has with the contract in place). File Schedule C showing $0 income but listing all the legitimate business expenses. The resulting loss will reduce your overall tax liability on your joint return. Just make sure you can justify each expense as necessary for the business and keep detailed records. The home office deduction is great if that space is used exclusively for business. And don't worry about the timing of revenue vs expenses - that's totally normal for startups. The IRS understands businesses often lose money initially while investing in growth.
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Ravi Choudhury
•Thanks for the reassurance! This makes me feel much more confident about filing. One question though - you mentioned the home office deduction requires "exclusive" business use. My wife set up a dedicated desk area in our spare bedroom, but we do occasionally use that room for guests when they visit. Does that disqualify us from claiming the home office deduction, or is it okay as long as the desk/work area itself is exclusively for business?
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