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Omar Hassan

How to Determine Stepped-up Basis After Second Spouse Dies in A B Simple Trust

I'm struggling to figure out how to handle the stepped-up basis situation with my parents' estate. They had an A B Simple trust set up, with my father passing away in 2016 and my mother just last year (2023). Now that both have passed, the estate has been divided equally among us four siblings. My big question is about determining the stepped-up basis for the assets that were originally in my dad's portion of the trust. Many of the investments he had when he died were sold by my mom and reinvested in different things before she passed. How do I calculate the stepped-up basis in this situation? Do I use the values from when my dad died in 2016, or when my mom died in 2023, or some combination of both? The trust division is complete, but I'm completely lost on how to determine the cost basis for tax purposes when I eventually sell these inherited investments. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

What you're dealing with is a common situation with A-B trusts (also called bypass or credit shelter trusts). Here's how to think about this: When your father passed in 2016, the assets in his portion of the trust (the "B" trust or bypass trust) received a stepped-up basis to their fair market value as of his date of death. This established a new cost basis for those assets. The assets that remained in your mother's portion (the "A" trust) wouldn't have received a step-up at that time. When your mother sold and reinvested the assets from your father's trust, the basis for determining gain/loss on those sales would have been the stepped-up value from 2016. For the new investments she purchased with those proceeds, their basis would be whatever she paid for them. When your mother passed in 2023, assets in her portion of the trust would receive a stepped-up basis to their fair market value as of her date of death. However, the assets in your father's bypass trust generally don't receive a second step-up.

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Diego Vargas

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Thanks for explaining, but I'm still confused. The trust actually combined everything after my dad died (my mom was the successor trustee), so there wasn't really a separate "A" and "B" portion being tracked. Does that change things? Also, we don't have records of the exact values from when my dad died - is there a way to estimate or reconstruct this?

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If the trust combined everything after your father died, that suggests it might not have been a properly maintained A-B trust structure. In a true A-B trust, your father's share should have been irrevocably separated into the B trust (bypass trust) upon his death, with different tax treatment than your mother's share. For missing valuation records from your father's date of death, you have several options. You can request historical pricing information from brokerage firms, use online resources to find historical security prices, or in some cases, work with a forensic accountant to reconstruct values. If you have statements from around that time period, even quarterly ones, that can help establish approximate values.

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NebulaNova

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Has anyone here worked with an estate attorney to deal with this stepped-up basis issue? We have a similar situation and I'm wondering if we should just hire a professional rather than trying to figure it all out ourselves.

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We hired an estate attorney who specializes in trust administration, and it was worth every penny. They had a forensic accountant on staff who helped reconstruct the basis for assets where we didn't have complete records. Cost us about $3,500 but saved us from making costly mistakes. Just make sure you find someone who specifically lists "trust administration" as a specialty, not just any estate attorney.

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NebulaNova

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Thanks for sharing your experience. Did your attorney handle everything, or did you still need to gather documentation yourself? I'm trying to understand how much work would still fall on us versus what they would take care of.

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The attorney handled the legal analysis and tax implications, but we still needed to gather as much documentation as possible. We provided all the statements we could find, death certificates, trust documents, and information about distributions made after the first death. The more organized your records are when you bring them in, the less you'll pay in hourly fees. Their forensic accountant only stepped in for the gaps we couldn't fill ourselves.

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Aisha Khan

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Don't forget that for some assets like real estate, you can often get historical appraisals done retroactively. We had a commercial property in my parents' trust, and we hired an appraiser who specialized in retrospective valuations to determine what it was worth when my dad died 9 years ago.

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Ethan Taylor

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Thank you for mentioning this! We have a vacation home that's part of the trust assets, and I didn't realize retrospective appraisals were possible. Did you have to provide the appraiser with any historical data about the property or surrounding area?

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Aisha Khan

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Yes, we provided old photos of the property from around that time period, any records of maintenance or improvements done before that date, and information about the condition at that time. The appraiser also researched comparable sales from that specific time period in the same area. It wasn't perfect, but the appraiser was able to create a defensible valuation document that established a reasonable stepped-up basis from our father's date of death. Make sure to find an appraiser who explicitly mentions retrospective or historical valuations in their services.

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Danielle Mays

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of getting a Form 706 (United States Estate Tax Return) if one was filed for either parent. Even if the estate wasn't large enough to require filing, many attorneys recommend filing anyway specifically to establish the stepped-up basis values for inherited assets. If a Form 706 was filed for your father in 2016, it would contain the fair market valuations of all his assets as of his date of death - this becomes your stepped-up basis documentation. The same applies for your mother's estate in 2023. These forms are incredibly valuable for exactly the situation you're describing. If no Form 706 was filed, you might still be able to file a protective election or late-filed return in some circumstances. This is definitely something to discuss with a tax professional, as the rules can be complex and there are time limitations involved.

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Liam Murphy

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This is really helpful information about Form 706! I'm wondering though - if no Form 706 was filed for either parent, how difficult and expensive is it typically to file a late return or protective election? Are we talking about a simple form filing or something that would require significant professional help? Also, are there any penalties for filing late even if no tax was owed?

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