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Caden Turner

How do I write off construction materials for my rental properties?

Hey everyone, I'm looking for some tax advice on how to properly write off construction materials for rental units. I'm feeling pretty lost after a recent meeting with my accountant. Some background: I run a landscaping company that mostly does sod work. I'm hands-on with everything - on the jobsite most days, plus handling all the planning, purchasing, and bookkeeping (before sending it to my accountant). I have 4 employees who work 40-50 hours weekly. In 2021, I started flipping houses during winter to keep my crew busy and figured I could use the write-offs. Last year, I bought a complete fixer-upper and renovated everything - new framing, plumbing, electrical - basically a full rebuild. We'll finish in January and hope to sell soon after. I've been writing off all materials for this house in the year I purchased them. Recently, I bought land to build rental condos, as I want to transition from landscaping to construction and property management. My 5-year plan was to use my landscaping income to fund the first 3 condos, thinking it would reduce my tax burden. Met with my accountant yesterday and felt completely deflated. I was told the land isn't deductible, and the materials for the condos can't be directly written off - they must be depreciated over 40 years. I wanted to do this without bank loans, but if I'm paying 30% in taxes, the numbers don't work. I'm not trying to evade taxes, but I don't understand why I can't deduct materials used to build rental properties that will generate taxable income. Two main questions: 1. Is there any way around this depreciation issue? 2. Did I mess up by deducting materials for my flip house from my landscaping business? Extra info: I'm an LLC taxed as an S-Corp. After business expenses, we're around $120k in profit. I usually buy equipment to reduce this further. I'm grateful for what I earn, but I'm burning out badly. I've been working 4000+ hours yearly since 2020, had to visit the ER for heart issues, and developed anxiety. When I'm with my family, I'm too exhausted or irritated to be present. The condo plan was my exit strategy, but now I'm feeling hopeless.

Hey there, I understand your frustration. There's a key distinction in tax law between immediate expenses and capital improvements that's affecting your situation. For your flip house: Materials used in a flip are considered part of your "cost basis" in the property, not immediate business expenses. Since you're planning to sell the property, these costs reduce your profit when you sell, but aren't typically deductible when purchased. Your accountant might need to amend your previous returns if you've been deducting these incorrectly. For your rental condos: Your accountant is correct that building materials for new rental construction must be capitalized and depreciated (typically 27.5 years for residential rentals, not 40). The land itself is never depreciable. However, there are some strategies that might help: 1. Cost segregation study - This identifies components of your building that qualify for shorter depreciation periods (5, 7, or 15 years). Things like appliances, some fixtures, and landscaping often qualify. 2. Bonus depreciation - Currently allows 80% first-year depreciation on certain qualified property with recovery periods of 20 years or less. 3. Section 179 - Allows expensing of certain property in the year placed in service. Also, separating your businesses might be wise. Consider creating a separate entity for your real estate activities, distinct from your landscaping business.

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Caden Turner

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Thank you for explaining this. I'm a bit confused about the flip house situation. Since I was doing the work through my landscaping business (using my employees during winter), I thought those materials would be legitimate business expenses. Did I completely misunderstand how this works? Also, with the rental condos, if I do that cost segregation study, roughly what percentage of construction costs could potentially fall into those shorter depreciation categories?

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The flip house materials aren't business expenses for your landscaping company because they're creating a product (the renovated house) that you're selling. Think of it like inventory for a retail business - the cost reduces your profit when you sell, not when you buy the inventory. Since your landscaping business isn't primarily in the business of selling houses, those expenses really belong to a separate house-flipping activity. For cost segregation, it varies widely depending on the property type and construction, but typically 20-40% of the total cost might qualify for accelerated depreciation. Items like cabinets, carpet, some electrical work, and appliances often qualify for 5-7 year depreciation instead of 27.5 years. The study itself costs money but often pays for itself many times over in tax savings, especially for new construction where you have all the cost records available.

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One thing nobody's mentioned is that you might want to look into the Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A) which can give you up to a 20% deduction on your business income. Real estate can qualify as a business for this purpose if you meet certain requirements. Also, have you considered doing a 1031 exchange with your flip property? If you're moving into rental properties anyway, you could potentially defer the capital gains tax by exchanging the flip property for another investment property instead of selling it outright. Regarding your S-Corp structure - make sure you're paying yourself a reasonable salary to avoid IRS scrutiny. Some real estate investors try to minimize salary to reduce payroll taxes, but that's a red flag.

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Caden Turner

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Thanks for bringing up the 1031 exchange. I hadn't considered that option for the flip house. Do you know if there are timing restrictions? Like how quickly would I need to identify the replacement property? Also, regarding the QBI deduction - would that apply to both my landscaping business and potential rental income, or just one of them?

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For a 1031 exchange, you need to identify potential replacement properties within 45 days of selling your property, and you must close on one of those properties within 180 days. It's pretty strict timing, so you'd need to start planning now if your flip is almost complete. Also, you must use a qualified intermediary to hold the funds - you can't touch the money yourself. Regarding QBI, both businesses could potentially qualify, but there are income limitations and other factors. The landscaping business would likely qualify as a standard trade or business. For the rental properties to qualify, you need to meet the "real estate trade or business" definition, which generally means you (or your employees) spend at least 250 hours per year on rental activities and keep contemporaneous records of time spent. There are also phase-out thresholds based on your taxable income.

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I think ur making this overly complicated. just run all ur construction supplies through ur landscaping biz as expenses? my buddy does this with his roofing and rental businesses and hasn't had any issues for years. the IRS doesn't have time to audit everyone. or just pay cash for the building supplies and dont even report them.

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This is extremely risky advice that could lead to serious consequences. The IRS has specific rules about capitalization vs. expenses, and deliberately mischaracterizing capital improvements as immediate expenses is tax fraud. If audited, you'd face back taxes, penalties, and potentially criminal charges. The "my buddy does it" approach is how people end up with massive tax problems. The IRS may not audit everyone, but when they do audit someone incorrectly deducting capital expenses, it's a very straightforward case for them to win.

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Caden Turner

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I appreciate the input, but I specifically mentioned I'm not trying to evade taxes. I want to do this legally. I'm frustrated by the rules, but I'm not looking to break them - just understand them better and find legal strategies within the system.

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A lot of good advice here already, but one thing I'd add - consider setting up a cost segregation study when you build your condos. I did this for a small apartment building I constructed last year, and it allowed me to accelerate depreciation on about 25% of the building cost. Components like cabinets, some electrical systems, and appliances can be depreciated over 5-7 years instead of 27.5 years. Landscaping improvements often qualify for 15-year depreciation. This can make a huge difference in your early-year cash flow. Also, have you looked into opportunity zone investments? If you have capital gains from other investments, you might be able to defer and potentially reduce those by investing in certain qualifying zones. Some areas that need development offer additional tax incentives too. For your immediate situation with the flip house, make sure your accountant is treating it as investment property with costs applied to basis rather than as direct business expenses. Different accounting methods here can make a big difference.

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