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Have you considered a cost segregation study for your property purchase? While you can't count the purchase for 2022, you can potentially accelerate depreciation for certain components of the property when you file your 2023 taxes next year. We did this with our office building and were able to significantly front-load the tax benefits rather than waiting 39 years for the full depreciation.
That's really interesting! I hadn't considered cost segregation. Do you know roughly what percentage of the property value you were able to accelerate the depreciation on? And did you use a specialized firm for the study or was it something your regular accountant handled?
We were able to accelerate depreciation on about 25-30% of our property value, which made a substantial difference in our first-year deductions. The components included things like specialized electrical systems, certain fixtures, landscaping elements, and some interior components that could be depreciated over 5-15 years instead of the standard 39 years for commercial property. We used a specialized engineering firm that works alongside our accountant for the study. While it cost around $4,500 for our $750k property, the tax savings in the first few years more than covered this expense. Your regular accountant likely won't have the engineering expertise to properly classify all building components, so I'd recommend finding a firm that specializes specifically in cost segregation studies.
Might be unpopular advice, but have you considered buying the property personally instead of through your C-Corp? The tax treatment can sometimes be more favorable if you buy it personally and then lease it to your corporation. You'd get rental income (which can be offset by depreciation) while your C-Corp gets a rent expense deduction. Just something to consider.
This is actually really good advice depending on your overall situation. My tax attorney suggested this exact approach, and it's worked out much better for me tax-wise. The corporation gets the full deduction for rent payments, and I can take advantage of depreciation plus potential appreciation personally. Just make sure to set a fair market rent to avoid IRS scrutiny.
I see a lot of people talking about the tax benefits, but there's another angle to consider. Your parents might be counting on that dependent deduction for their overall family budget. Have you tried asking your dad how much he's saving by claiming you? $800 feels like a lot to you, but he might be saving $2000+ on his taxes. What about proposing a compromise where he still claims you but reimburses you for the $800? That way he still gets whatever additional benefit there is, but you're not out any money. And it avoids the awkward discussion about whether you're "independent" or not, which can be touchy for some parents.
I never thought about it that way. The reason I was hesitant to bring it up is because I didn't want to cause tension, but a compromise could work. Do you think there's a tactful way to bring up this reimbursement idea without sounding like I'm just asking for money?
Approach it as a practical math problem rather than an emotional issue. Say something like: "Dad, I noticed that being claimed as a dependent is costing me $800 in taxes this year. I understand it probably saves our family more overall, but that's a big hit for me. Could we look at the numbers together and find a fair solution? Maybe you could help cover some of what I'm losing?" Most parents don't realize the tax impact on their working teens. Frame it as working together to maximize the family's overall financial situation. This makes it about smart family finances rather than independence or money-grabbing. Avoid phrases like "it's not fair" and stick to the practical impacts.
something nobody mentioned - are you a full-time student? if you're 17 and in high school then your dad probably legally CAN claim you as a dependent. but if you're providing more than half your own support (rent, food, etc) with that 50k, then he might not legally be allowed to claim you. the IRS has tests for this. also, what are you doing making 50k at 17?? im jealous lol. i'm 22 and only making 42k with a college degree. whatever you're doing, keep it up!
This is important! The "support test" is key here. If OP is providing more than half of their own support, the parent might not legally be able to claim them regardless of age or living situation. The IRS has a worksheet for calculating this.
One thing nobody's mentioned - check if you've ever had a tax preparer. I had something similar happen and it turned out a tax prep company I used YEARS ago had a data breach. The thieves got enough info to file returns. Also, don't overlook the possibility of family members. Unfortunately, a lot of tax ID theft is committed by relatives who have access to your personal info. Especially if no refund was claimed, it might be someone trying to claim business losses using your identity.
How would using someone else's identity for business losses even help the thief? I don't get the motivation.
The most common scheme is that someone has a legitimate business with profits they need to offset. They use your identity to create fake losses that they can then "sell" to their business. Basically they're manufacturing deductions. For example: They create a fake Schedule C business under your name showing $50k in losses. Then in their real business, they create fake invoices showing they paid "your" business $50k for services. Their real business gets a $50k deduction, while the taxes on that $50k income are assigned to you (but offset by the fake $50k in expenses they created). The result is they get a tax deduction while you get a mess to clean up.
This happened to me too! Check if the paper return claimed the Earned Income Credit or Child Tax Credit. Those are common targets. My case was finally resolved after 11 months - you need to be super persistent. Print and fill out Form 14039 like others suggested. Send it certified mail with return receipt requested. Also get your wage and income transcript from IRS.gov as it shows who reported paying you - check for employers you don't recognize.
Did the IRS eventually get you your refund? I'm worried I'll never see that $5.5k at this point.
My husband and I are both self-employed too and ran into this last year. We fired our accountant on the spot when he refused to file our 7202 forms and found someone new who was willing to finish our taxes properly. Yes it was more expensive but the credits we got were substantial - about $8300 total between us. Dont let your accountant push you around - this is YOUR money and a legitimate tax credit you're entitled to.
Are you sure the form is even necessary for your situation? Many self-employed people think they qualify for these credits when they actually don't. The credit is specifically for self-employed people who couldn't work because they or someone they care for had COVID or they had to care for kids due to school closures. It's not just a general COVID relief credit. Have you verified you qualify?
This is an important point. A lot of people think any income loss during COVID qualifies, when the form is specifically for days you couldn't work due to very specific reasons. The IRS has been flagging suspicious 7202 claims for audit, so you definitely want to make sure you qualify and have documentation.
Thanks for clarifying! That makes more sense why you're pursuing this. Given your situation, I'd definitely push for including Form 7202. The credits can be substantial. One option not mentioned yet - some tax software programs like TurboTax or H&R Block software allow you to complete Form 7202 yourself. You could potentially use the software just for that form, print it out, and give it to your accountant to incorporate into your return. That's what a friend of mine did when her accountant was being difficult about some rental property deductions.
Zainab Ismail
Just to add to what others have said, if you really want to dig into the technical details, check out Internal Revenue Code Section 404(a) which specifically addresses deductibility of employer contributions to pension plans. The language there supports that these are above-the-line deductions on Schedule 1 for self-employed individuals. Also, IRS Form 8606 instructions sometimes have helpful cross-references for retirement plan contributions, even though the form itself is focused on nondeductible IRA contributions.
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Giovanni Mancini
ā¢Thanks for this reference! I've been searching the code sections but didn't think to look at 404(a) specifically. Do you know if there's a clear distinction in the code between contributions for the owner vs employees? That's where I kept getting confused.
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Zainab Ismail
ā¢The key distinction is in Section 404(a)(8) which specifically addresses contributions by self-employed individuals. It essentially treats the business owner as both employer and employee for retirement plan purposes. For employees, the deduction is a business expense because you're paying it as the employer. For yourself, it's an adjustment to income on Schedule 1 because you can't technically "employ" yourself as a sole proprietor.
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Connor O'Neill
Quick question for anyone - my tax software keeps putting my solo 401k contributions (the employer portion) on Schedule C rather than Schedule 1. Should I override it? I'm a Schedule C filer with no employees.
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Yara Nassar
ā¢Which software are you using? I had the same issue with TurboTax last year and had to manually override it. The correct place is definitely Schedule 1, Line 16 for both portions of your solo 401k (employee and employer contributions).
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