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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you document everything about your business growth strategy. If you're keeping profits in the business for expansion, have a written business plan that outlines your capital needs, timeline for growth, and eventual transition strategy. This documentation becomes critical if you're ever questioned about why you took minimal/no salary. Courts have repeatedly sided with business owners who can demonstrate legitimate business purposes for retaining earnings versus those who just seem to be avoiding payroll taxes. Also, consider having your board of directors (even if it's just you wearing different hats) formally approve your compensation and capital retention strategy in corporate minutes. These formal governance steps make your intentions much clearer if scrutinized later.
This is really helpful advice. I hadn't thought about documenting the strategy formally. Is there a specific format you'd recommend for this kind of business plan? Also, does the board approval need to happen annually or just once when implementing the strategy?
There's no required format, but I'd recommend including projected capital needs, specific growth milestones, timeline for expansion, and how the retained earnings will be used. Make it clear this is a temporary strategy until the business can support you full-time. Board approvals should definitely happen annually. At minimum, you should have annual minutes documenting review of the compensation strategy and business progress. Each year, note how the retained capital is being used toward your stated goals and reaffirm the strategy. This creates a pattern of consistent business purpose rather than looking like an afterthought if questioned.
Has anyone actually been audited for NOT taking a salary from their S-corp? I've been running mine for 3 years and taking distributions but no salary (I know, I know) and haven't had any issues. Wondering if this is one of those things tax professionals warn about but rarely happens?
YES! My brother-in-law got absolutely hammered for this exact situation. Ran his consulting S-corp for 2 years taking zero salary and only distributions. Got audited, and the IRS reclassified ALL his distributions as salary, meaning he owed back payroll taxes plus penalties and interest. Cost him over $30k when all was said and done. They specifically target S-corps for this issue because it's such a common tax avoidance strategy.
Don't overlook the free options before paying for services! I run a small plumbing business and use Wave Accounting which is completely free for invoicing, receipt tracking, and bookkeeping. They make money from payment processing if you choose to use that feature. For payroll, I use OnPay which is much cheaper than most options at around $40/month plus $6 per employee. The combination has worked perfectly for my 3-employee business for years. Just wanted to throw out a budget-friendly alternative!
Have you had any issues with Wave at tax time? I tried it last year and my accountant complained that the reports weren't detailed enough for some of the deductions we wanted to take. Did you add any paid features to make it work better?
I did have some limitations with Wave during my first tax season, particularly around categorizing certain business expenses properly. I ended up using their paid receipt scanning feature ($8/month) which helped tremendously with organization and made my accountant much happier. For detailed job costing and tracking profitability by service type, Wave definitely has limitations. I supplement with a simple spreadsheet for that analysis. The payroll integration with OnPay has been flawless though - all my quarterly filings have gone through without issues and the reports are accepted by my accountant without complaints.
Has anyone tried Xero? My sister-in-law uses it for her bakery and swears by it, but I'm wondering if it would work well for a service business like landscaping too.
I switched from QuickBooks to Xero last year for my pool service company (5 employees) and it's been excellent. The inventory tracking is better for tracking chemicals and supplies, and the mobile app is way more user-friendly for entering expenses on the go. Their project tracking feature works well for tracking costs by customer property too.
Something else to consider - since you're a SAHM with 2 kids, make sure your husband is claiming the right filing status and claiming the Child Tax Credit for both children. Also look into the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you have any qualifying expenses. These can significantly reduce what you owe. Also, if your husband is truly self-employed (getting 1099s, not W-2s), he should absolutely be making quarterly estimated tax payments going forward. This will prevent this problem next year. The IRS has a worksheet to figure out how much he should pay each quarter.
Thanks for bringing this up! We are claiming the Child Tax Credit for both kids, but I'm not sure if we've maxed it out. My husband does get 1099s and I know he needs to do the quarterly payments but honestly we never knew how to calculate them properly. Is there a simple formula to figure out roughly how much we should set aside from each check?
A simple rule of thumb is to set aside about 25-30% of his 1099 income for taxes. This covers both income tax and self-employment tax (which is roughly 15.3% alone). For proper quarterly payments, you can use the IRS Form 1040-ES worksheet, which helps calculate your required payments based on expected income. The due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. Setting up a separate savings account just for taxes can be really helpful - deposit that percentage from each check immediately before you're tempted to spend it.
Has anyone mentioned that as a contractor, your husband could possibly open a SEP IRA or Solo 401k? Contributing to retirement can lower your taxable income significantly. It might be too late for last year, but definitely something to consider for this year to avoid a repeat situation!
This is great advice! I'm a contractor too and opened a SEP IRA last year. Was able to contribute almost 20% of my income and it dropped me into a lower tax bracket. Saved me thousands.
One thing to check - are you sure you filled out the NEW version of the W-4 correctly? In 2020, they completely changed the W-4 form and removed the allowances system. If you filled it out thinking it still had allowances (putting "0" when the form doesn't ask for that anymore), that might explain the confusion. The new form is totally different and really confusing. Also, did you put anything in Step 2 about multiple jobs? That's where you indicate if you have more than one employer now, which affects withholding calculations. Many people miss this part.
You know what, that could actually be part of the problem. I didn't realize the W-4 had changed that significantly. I did fill out a paper form when I started and I remember putting "0" for allowances, but maybe that wasn't even the right field on the new form. I definitely didn't check anything about multiple jobs because my first job had already ended when I started this one. Do you think that could have somehow triggered zero withholding?
That could absolutely be the issue. The new W-4 doesn't have a place for "0 allowances" anymore, so if you were filling out an old form or using old terminology on the new form, it might have confused your payroll department. Even though your jobs weren't simultaneous, the Step 2 checkbox helps the withholding system account for your total annual income. Without it checked, the system might have been withholding as if this was your only income for the year, and depending on your pay rate, that might result in little or no withholding if the projected annual amount would be under the standard deduction.
This happened to my wife last year! Check if they have you classified as an independent contractor instead of an employee. Some companies do this "accidentally" to save on their end of payroll taxes. If they did, you'll see no Social Security or Medicare taxes withheld either. In that case, you should've received a 1099 instead of a W-2, and they definitely messed up.
That's a good point. If they gave you a W-2 but treated you as an independent contractor for withholding purposes, that's definitely something the IRS would be interested in knowing about. Companies can get in big trouble for misclassifying employees.
They definitely gave me a W-2, not a 1099. And they are withholding Social Security and Medicare taxes correctly - it's just the federal income tax that's showing $0. So I don't think I'm being classified as an independent contractor. It seems more like some kind of specific error with just the federal income tax withholding.
Lindsey Fry
4 One thing to keep in mind that I don't see mentioned here - make sure you understand the tax consequences of revoking S-corp status. When you go from S to C, there are some potential tax traps like the built-in gains tax if you sell appreciated assets within 5 years after revocation. Also, if you had accumulated adjustment account (AAA) balances, you need to plan for how those will be treated after conversion.
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Lindsey Fry
β’11 Good point about the tax consequences, but isn't there a way to avoid some of these issues? I thought I read something about a post-termination transition period where you can still distribute AAA balances tax-free?
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Lindsey Fry
β’4 Yes, that's correct. After S corporation status ends, there is a post-termination transition period (generally 1 year after the last day of the last S corporation tax year) where shareholders can still receive distributions from the former S corporation's AAA tax-free to the extent of their stock basis. This can be really important for planning purposes. Some shareholders mistakenly believe all their distribution options end when S status is revoked, but this transition period provides a window to distribute accumulated S corporation earnings without dividend treatment under C corporation rules.
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Lindsey Fry
9 I wonder if your situation might be a candidate for a late-filed election to be a C corp from the beginning? If your S election was approved for 2023 but you realized immediately that you don't qualify, sometimes the IRS will let you treat the S election as if it never happened. Might be worth asking your accountant about Form 2553 with a "never effective" statement.
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β’14 I dealt with something similar and we ended up going this route. The key was proving that we never operated as an S corp (no distributions, no K-1s issued, etc.) and that it was an honest mistake in the election. Saved us from having to do the split-year filings.
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