Rental conversion in December: Can I deduct expenses for second home with no rental income yet? (HOA, repair/improvement)
I purchased a new home in December 2021 which is going to be my primary residence going forward. For my old condo (now my second home), I had new flooring installed. The materials and labor invoices are dated from October through December 2021. I'm planning to convert this second home into a rental property. I already signed a contract with a property management company in December 2021, but the actual lease agreement with a tenant wasn't signed until January 2022. I'm trying to figure out the tax implications for my 2021 return and have a few questions: 1. In the eyes of the IRS, would my second property be considered a rental property as of December 31, 2021, even though I had no rental income for the 2021 tax year? 2. When can I start deducting expenses like HOA fees? December 2021? January 2022? Or not at all until it's officially rented? 3. I've read conflicting information about property improvements vs. repairs. The IRS website says: >...You can deduct the costs of **certain materials**, supplies, **repairs**, and maintenance that you make to your rental property to keep your property in good operating condition... > >...You may not deduct the cost of improvements. A rental property is improved only if the amounts paid are for a betterment or restoration or adaptation to a new or different use... What about my new flooring? Would it count as a repair or a property improvement? The carpet I replaced was from the 1980s, had water damage stains from a pipe burst, and was detaching from the baseboards. The new flooring is definitely a material part of the property and adds real value. Can I deduct these expenses for the 2021 tax year even without rental income? (Remember, property management agreement in December 2021, but tenant lease not until January 2022). If deductible, can I include both materials and labor costs?
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Ava Thompson
Your situation is pretty common when transitioning a property to rental status, so let's break it down. For your first question, the IRS typically considers a property to be a rental when you've made it available for rent and are actively seeking tenants. Since you signed with a property management company in December 2021, you've taken concrete steps toward renting it out, which is good evidence of your intent. Regarding when you can start deducting expenses - you can generally begin deducting ordinary and necessary expenses once the property is "placed in service" for rental purposes. This doesn't necessarily mean a tenant has to be living there, but the property needs to be ready and available for rent. Your December 2021 property management agreement helps establish this. As for the flooring issue, this is where it gets tricky. The IRS distinguishes between repairs (immediately deductible) and improvements (which must be depreciated over time). Replacing worn-out, damaged flooring with a similar product often qualifies as a repair. However, if you substantially upgraded the flooring (like replacing carpet with hardwood), it would be considered an improvement that must be depreciated. Both material and labor costs would follow the same classification. Without rental income in 2021, you may still claim appropriate expenses, potentially creating a rental loss. However, there are passive activity loss limitations that might restrict how much you can deduct against other income.
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Miguel Ramos
•Thanks for the detailed response! So if I understand correctly, even with no actual tenant until 2022, I might still be able to deduct some expenses from December 2021 since I signed with the property management company? Would it make a difference if I can prove I was actively seeking tenants in December (like emails with the property management company discussing listings)? Also, what if the new flooring is similar quality but different material? I replaced old carpet with vinyl plank flooring - not a luxury upgrade, but definitely different. Does that count as improvement or repair?
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Ava Thompson
•You're on the right track! Having documentation that shows you were actively seeking tenants in December 2021 would definitely strengthen your position that the property was "placed in service" for rental purposes during that month. Emails with the property management company discussing listings would be excellent evidence. Regarding your flooring question, replacing carpet with vinyl plank flooring would generally be considered an improvement rather than a repair, even if it's not a luxury upgrade. When you change the material type, the IRS typically views this as an improvement that needs to be depreciated over time (27.5 years for residential rental property). Both the materials and installation labor would be included in the cost basis for depreciation. You won't be able to deduct the full amount in 2021, but you can start taking the appropriate depreciation deduction.
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Zainab Ibrahim
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StarSailor
•Did they help with figuring out depreciation schedules too? I'm about to convert my condo to a rental and I've done some bathroom updates that I think count as improvements. Also, how detailed do you need to be with the documents you upload?
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QuantumQuest
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're allocating expenses properly if you lived in the condo for part of December before moving to your new primary residence. You can only deduct expenses from the period when the property was held for rental purposes. Also, regarding the new flooring, if it was installed while you were still using it as your primary residence, before you made it available for rent, you might have to treat it differently. The timing matters a lot here.
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Dmitry Kuznetsov
•That's a good point I hadn't considered! I actually moved out completely in late November, and the flooring work was completed in early December before I signed with the property management company on December 15th. Would that affect how the flooring is treated? And would the HOA fees for December be fully deductible then?
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QuantumQuest
•Since you moved out in late November and the flooring was installed in early December before signing with the property management company, that timing actually helps your case. The flooring work was done while the property was being prepared for rental use, not while you were using it as a personal residence. The HOA fees for December would likely be fully deductible since the property was no longer your personal residence during that month. Just make sure you have documentation showing you had moved out in November and that the property was being prepared for rental use in December. The property management agreement from December 15th is excellent supporting documentation of your intent to rent the property.
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Amina Sy
Don't forget about the possible passive activity loss limitations. If your adjusted gross income is under $100k, you can deduct up to $25,000 in passive rental losses against other income. This phases out as your AGI increases from $100k to $150k. If your AGI is over $150k, you generally can't deduct rental losses against other income - they get carried forward to future years.
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Oliver Fischer
•This is super important! I got hit with this last year when I couldn't deduct my rental losses because my income was too high. The carry-forward helped eventually, but it wasn't what I expected when filing that first year with the rental property. Also, doesn't the fact that OP is actively participating in rental management affect this? Or does using a property management company automatically make it non-active participation?
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