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Help! Where can I locate my TIN (taxpayer identification number)? Is it the same as SSN?

Hey tax folks, I'm filling out some financial paperwork and they're asking for my TIN (taxpayer identification number). I'm feeling really dumb right now, but I've never had to provide this before and I'm not sure where to find it. Is this the same thing as my social security number? Or is it something totally different that I need to apply for? The form is due pretty soon and I don't want to delay everything because I can't figure this out. Any help would be appreciated!!

A TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number) is actually a general term that covers several different types of identification numbers issued by the IRS. For most individuals, your Social Security Number (SSN) is your TIN. So yes, if you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident with a Social Security number, you can just use your SSN when a form asks for your TIN. For those who don't have an SSN, other types of TINs include an Employer Identification Number (EIN) for businesses, an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) for certain non-citizens, or an Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN) in specific adoption cases. If you're filling out something like a W-9 form or financial paperwork, they're typically just looking for your SSN if you're an individual.

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Thanks for explaining! Quick question - I'm a sole proprietor with an EIN for my business. Should I be using my EIN or my personal SSN when forms ask for a TIN? Sometimes I get confused about when to use which number.

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For a sole proprietor, it actually depends on the specific situation. If the form is related to your business activities or payments made to your business, you should use your EIN. This helps keep your business and personal finances separate for tax purposes. If the form is for your personal finances unrelated to your business, then you would use your SSN. When in doubt, you can always ask the entity requesting the form which they prefer - many forms like the W-9 actually have checkboxes to indicate whether you're using an SSN or EIN.

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Just an FYI - if you're a non-citizen without a Social Security Number, you'll need to apply for an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) using Form W-7. That becomes your TIN for tax purposes. The process can take several weeks so plan ahead if this applies to you!

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Do you know if you can apply for an ITIN online? Or do you have to mail in the physical form? I'm helping my cousin who just moved here and needs to get one.

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Unfortunately, you cannot apply for an ITIN completely online. The IRS requires you to either mail in a physical Form W-7 along with original documents (like a passport) or certified copies, or visit an IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center or authorized Acceptance Agent in person. For your cousin, the easiest option might be to find an authorized Acceptance Agent - they can verify the original documents in person so your cousin doesn't have to mail in her actual passport. Many accounting firms and some tax preparation services are authorized agents. The IRS website has a tool to find agents near you.

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Just wanted to add that if you're filling out a W-9 for a client or company you're doing freelance work for, that's where they typically ask for your TIN. And yes, for individual contractors, your SSN is your TIN. I got confused about this my first year freelancing lol.

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I made the mistake of using my SSN on all my W-9 forms when I first started freelancing and later learned that it's actually better to get an EIN even as a sole proprietor. Keeps your SSN a bit more private since not as many people see it.

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