Where to find my TIN (taxpayer identification number)? Is it same as SSN?
Hey everyone, I'm trying to fill out some paperwork for a new job and it's asking for my TIN (taxpayer identification number). I'm not sure where to find this or if it's just another name for my social security number? This is probably a dumb question but I've never seen this term before and want to make sure I'm putting the right info down. Thanks for any help!
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Effie Alexander
For most U.S. citizens, your TIN (taxpayer identification number) is indeed your Social Security Number (SSN). The IRS uses different types of TINs for tax processing purposes. If you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident, the 9-digit SSN issued by the Social Security Administration functions as your TIN for tax purposes. If you're not eligible for an SSN, you might need an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) instead, which is also a 9-digit number but begins with the number 9 and has a specific range for the fourth and fifth digits.
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Melissa Lin
•So if I'm a foreign student with an F-1 visa and I can't get an SSN yet, would I need to apply for this ITIN thing? And how would I even do that?
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Effie Alexander
•Yes, as an F-1 student who can't obtain an SSN, you would likely need an ITIN for tax purposes. You would apply using Form W-7 (Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) which you can find on the IRS website. You'll need to submit documentation that proves your identity and foreign status, like your passport and visa documents. You can either mail these with your form, visit an IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center, or use an IRS-authorized Certifying Acceptance Agent who can verify your documents so you don't have to submit originals.
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Lydia Santiago
I was in the exact same situation last year when I was filling out some investment paperwork! I spent hours trying to figure out what my TIN was until I finally found out from using https://taxr.ai that for most Americans, your TIN is actually just your Social Security Number. I literally uploaded a picture of the form I was confused about and it explained everything - what each field meant and what information I needed to provide.
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Romeo Quest
•Does that site work for business TINs too? My small business just got started and I'm not sure if I should be using my SSN or if I need a separate number for the business.
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Val Rossi
•I'm always skeptical of these tax help sites. How do you know your personal info is secure when you upload docs? And do they charge a bunch for what's basically just looking up info on the IRS site?
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Lydia Santiago
•Yes, it absolutely works for business TINs too! If you're a sole proprietor, you can use your SSN, but for more liability protection many small business owners get an EIN (Employer Identification Number) from the IRS instead. The site helped me understand the difference and when to use each one. For security concerns, they use encryption for all uploaded documents and don't store your sensitive info after analysis. And no, they don't charge "a bunch" - it's actually really reasonable considering how much time and stress it saves. Instead of digging through confusing IRS pages for hours, you get direct answers about your specific situation.
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Romeo Quest
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai from the recommendation above. It was super helpful! I uploaded my business formation documents and the form I was confused about, and it clearly explained that I needed an EIN (Employer Identification Number) rather than using my personal SSN for my LLC. It even walked me through the application process on the IRS website. Definitely saved me from making a mistake that could have caused problems later!
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Eve Freeman
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Clarissa Flair
•Wait how does this actually work? Does it just autodial the IRS for you or something? I'm confused about how a service could get you through the IRS phone system faster when everyone's dealing with the same wait times.
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Val Rossi
•Yeah right. Sounds like a scam to me. The IRS phone system is a disaster by design - no way some random service can magically get you through faster than anyone else. You probably just got lucky with timing.
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Eve Freeman
•It doesn't get you through "faster" than other callers - it just saves you from having to physically stay on hold. Their system waits in the IRS queue for you, and when it detects a live agent is answering, it calls your phone and connects you. So you're still waiting the same amount of time, but you can go about your day instead of listening to hold music for hours. No, it's definitely not a scam. I was skeptical too before trying it. The technology is pretty straightforward - it's basically an automated system that monitors the hold line and alerts you when a human finally picks up. It saved me from wasting an entire afternoon just waiting on hold.
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Val Rossi
I need to eat my words about Claimyr from my comment above. After tax season started and IRS wait times hit 3+ hours, I got desperate trying to sort out my TIN situation for some investment accounts. Tried the service and it actually worked exactly as described. I put in my number, went about my day, and got a call back 2.5 hours later connected to an actual IRS agent who confirmed my TIN questions in minutes. Saved me from an afternoon of hearing "your call is important to us" on repeat!
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Caden Turner
Just to add onto what others have said - there are actually several types of TINs: - Social Security Number (SSN) - Employer Identification Number (EIN) - Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) - Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN) - Preparer Taxpayer Identification Number (PTIN) Most regular people just use their SSN, but depending on your situation you might need one of the others!
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McKenzie Shade
•What's the difference between EIN and ITIN? I'm starting a small business but I'm not a US citizen. Do I need both?
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Caden Turner
•An EIN (Employer Identification Number) is for businesses and is used to identify a business entity for tax purposes, regardless of the owner's citizenship status. You would use this for your business operations, filing business tax returns, opening business bank accounts, etc. An ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) is for individuals who need to file taxes but don't qualify for an SSN. If you're not a US citizen or permanent resident but need to file personal taxes in the US, you would use an ITIN for your personal tax filings.
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Harmony Love
omg finding my TIN was such a nightmare when i was doing my taxes last yr 😩 turns out it was my social the whole time! spent like 3 hours searching through old papers for nothing lol. why do they gotta make everything so confusing??
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Rudy Cenizo
•Pro tip: Take a photo of important tax documents and save them in a dedicated folder on your phone or cloud storage. I have a "Tax Stuff" album that has saved me so many times when filling out forms!
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Elijah O'Reilly
For most people starting their first job, your TIN is just your Social Security Number - no need to overthink it! I remember being confused about this exact same thing when I was filling out my W-4 for my first job. The term "TIN" sounds so official and different, but it's really just the IRS's way of referring to any number they use to identify taxpayers. Since you mentioned this is for a new job, you'll definitely want to use your SSN. Just make sure you double-check the number before submitting - those 9 digits are pretty important to get right!
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Abby Marshall
•This is such good advice! I wish someone had told me this when I was starting out. I remember staring at that W-4 form for way too long trying to figure out what a TIN was. It's one of those things that seems super complicated until someone explains it's literally just your social security number. The IRS really could make their terminology more beginner-friendly instead of using all these acronyms that make everything sound scarier than it actually is.
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