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Andre Lefebvre

Where to find my TIN (taxpayer identification number)? Is it on my social security card?

Hey all, I'm trying to complete some tax paperwork for a new side gig I just started, and they're asking for my TIN (taxpayer identification number). Honestly, I have no clue what this is or where to find it. Is it the same as my social security number? I looked at my social security card but wasn't sure if that's what they're asking for. This is my first time doing independent work so I'm a bit confused about all these tax requirements. Any help would be appreciated!

Zoe Dimitriou

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Your TIN (taxpayer identification number) is most likely your Social Security Number (SSN) if you're an individual taxpayer. For most US citizens and residents, the SSN serves as their TIN for tax purposes. You can find your SSN on your social security card, which is the 9-digit number formatted like XXX-XX-XXXX. If you're operating as a business entity (like an LLC or corporation), you would have an Employer Identification Number (EIN) instead, which would be your TIN in that case. If you don't have one of those, then your SSN is what they're asking for. For non-US residents who aren't eligible for an SSN, there's something called an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), which would serve as their TIN.

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Thanks for explaining! So for my situation, since I'm just doing some freelance work on the side of my regular job and not forming a business, my SSN would be my TIN? I just want to make sure I'm filling out the paperwork correctly.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Yes, exactly! Since you're doing freelance work as an individual without forming a business entity, your Social Security Number is your TIN. That's what you should provide on your tax paperwork. Just make sure you're providing it to a legitimate business and on proper tax forms (like a W-9 form, which is the standard form for providing your TIN to someone who will be paying you). Always be careful about who you share your SSN with for security reasons.

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Mei Zhang

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Amara Eze

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NeonNomad

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Just to add some clarification about TINs that helped me understand the system better: 1. SSN (Social Security Number): For US citizens and residents authorized to work 2. ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number): For non-residents who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for an SSN 3. EIN (Employer Identification Number): For businesses, even sole proprietors can get these Most people just use their SSN, but knowing the difference helped me understand why they don't just ask for "SSN" on all forms - some people have these alternative numbers!

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This is super helpful! One more question - if I decide to form an LLC for my freelance work in the future, would I need to stop using my SSN as my TIN and get an EIN instead? Or can I still use my SSN even with an LLC?

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NeonNomad

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If you form an LLC, you have options. For a single-member LLC, you can continue using your SSN if you want the LLC to be treated as a "disregarded entity" for tax purposes (meaning the IRS treats it as an extension of yourself). However, most people with LLCs choose to get an EIN even if not strictly required. There are several advantages: it adds a layer of privacy (you're not sharing your SSN with clients), it's necessary if you want to hire employees, and it's required if you want your LLC taxed as a corporation. Getting an EIN is free and can be done online through the IRS website in minutes!

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Don't overthink this! I remember being confused too. Your TIN is just your social security number (the 9 digits on your social security card). Unless your doing business as a company, then you would have an EIN. But for a regular person, SSN = TIN.

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This isn't always true tho. I'm working in the US on a visa and don't qualify for an SSN, so I had to apply for an ITIN to pay my taxes. That's my TIN. So it depends on your situation.

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