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Form 2210 penalty doesn't make sense - $25k penalty with identical income?

So I'm completely baffled right now with my tax situation. TaxHawk is showing that my husband and I owe approximately $25,000 in a Form 2210 penalty. This makes absolutely zero sense to me. Our combined income is actually slightly lower than last year ($210k vs $215k). I made about $152k this year with $19k withheld for federal taxes, while my husband made around $58k with just under $6k withheld. He earned less this year because he was out of work from August through late October due to a medical issue (received some short-term disability payments for a month). Last year I made about $138k with $25k withheld, and my husband made $73k with roughly $8.5k withheld. We actually got a small refund last year of about $2k. I understand our withholding is lower this year (by maybe $8k total), but how on earth does that translate to a $25k penalty?? I've read something about taxes being calculated on expected income - could my husband's temporary unemployment be affecting this calculation somehow? Is this just a glitch in TaxHawk? Should I try a different tax software? I'm terrible with numbers and completely out of my depth here. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

This doesn't sound right at all. Form 2210 is used to calculate penalties for underpayment of estimated tax, but a $25k penalty on a $210k income with $25k withheld would be extremely unusual. First, check if you accidentally entered something incorrectly in the tax software. The most common mistakes that trigger large 2210 penalties are: - Entering withholding amounts in the wrong field - Entering a decimal point in the wrong place - Accidentally checking a box indicating you want to calculate the penalty using a different method The standard underpayment penalty is relatively small - typically around 3-4% of the underpaid amount. Even if you underpaid by $8k as you estimate, the penalty should be a few hundred dollars at most, not $25k. I'd suggest rechecking all your entries in TaxHawk, particularly focusing on the withholding amounts and any estimated tax payments. If everything looks correct, try running your return through a different tax software as a check.

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Thank you so much for this detailed response! I think you might be onto something with the data entry error. I went back and checked all our W-2 forms carefully against what I entered in TaxHawk, and I discovered I had accidentally put my federal withholding as $1,933 instead of $19,332! A decimal point error just like you mentioned. Would this kind of mistake really cause such a massive penalty calculation? I'm going to correct it and see what happens.

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Yes, that's exactly the kind of error that would cause this issue! When you tell the software you only had $1,933 withheld instead of $19,332, it thinks you're massively underpaid on your taxes. The system calculates that you should have had approximately $25k more in withholdings throughout the year, so it applies the underpayment penalty. When you fix that decimal point error, your penalty should either disappear completely or become very minimal. This is a very common mistake, so don't feel bad about it. After correcting this, your return should look much more reasonable.

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I'm a bookkeeper, and I see Form 2210 penalty issues fairly often. Most of the time, it's due to an input error like others have mentioned. But there's another potential issue you should check: If your income distribution was significantly uneven throughout the year (making much more in certain quarters than others), the standard withholding tables might not have taken out enough. This is especially true when you have a period of unemployment followed by higher income. The IRS expects tax payments to be made evenly throughout the year. If your husband was out of work and then returned to a higher-paying position, the withholding might be calculated incorrectly for your annual income. Double-check the "annualized income installment method" section in the software to see if that applies to your situation.

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That's really interesting and might explain part of our situation. My husband was making around $6,000/month, then was unemployed for about 2.5 months, but when he returned to work, his new position paid about $7,200/month. So his income pattern was definitely uneven. Would the software automatically check for this "annualized income installment method" or do I need to specifically tell it to use this calculation?

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Most tax software doesn't automatically check the annualized income installment method - you typically need to select it manually. Look for a checkbox or option labeled something like "Use Annualized Income Installment Method" or "Special calculation for uneven income" when you're in the estimated tax/penalty section. If your husband's income pattern was uneven as you described, this method might reduce or eliminate any remaining penalty after you fix the decimal point error. The annualized method essentially tells the IRS "I didn't make this money evenly throughout the year, so don't expect my tax payments to be even either.

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Has anyone noticed that TaxHawk seems to have more issues with 2210 calculations than other software? I tried three different programs this year (TaxHawk, TaxSlayer, and FreeTaxUSA) and they all gave me slightly different penalty amounts.

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I've used both TaxHawk and FreeTaxUSA, and I've found FreeTaxUSA to be more accurate with penalty calculations. When I had a similar issue last year, TaxHawk calculated a $1,200 penalty while FreeTaxUSA showed only $340. I ended up filing with FreeTaxUSA and the IRS never questioned it.

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