Foreign Earned Income Exclusion: Qualifying for Bona Fide Residence Test vs Physical Presence
I've been using the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) via the physical presence test for the past 5 years, but I think I might qualify under the Bona Fide Residence Test instead. The main reason I'm considering switching is that I'd like to spend more time in the US with family and for work without losing my exclusion. Here's my current situation for the Bona Fide Residence Test form: * When my bona fide residence began: July 2016 (got my visa then, though I've actually lived here since 2012) * My living situation: Purchased property (technically a 50-year lease on house and land, with my name on the title which I can provide documentation for - worth about $67K) * Family visits: Yes, my dad stayed with me for roughly 4 months last year * Foreign country residency statements: I haven't submitted any statement declaring I'm not a resident of the country * Foreign income tax requirements: I don't have to pay income tax locally on money I earn from foreign companies * Employment terms: No formal contract, just a salary-based position * Visa type: Special Resident Retirement Visa (Permanent Resident status) * Visa limitations: None on length of stay or employment * US home maintenance: No permanent home in the US (just using a PO box and my parents' address for mail) Should I switch to claiming the Bona Fide Residence Test or just keep using physical presence and limit my US trips? I'm nervous about triggering any kind of review of my status.
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Yara Campbell
Based on what you've shared, you actually have a pretty strong case for qualifying under the Bona Fide Residence Test. The key factors working in your favor are your long-term presence since 2012, your permanent resident visa status, your property lease, and the fact that you haven't declared non-residency to the local authorities. The Bona Fide Residence Test is generally less restrictive than the Physical Presence Test when it comes to US visits. Under Physical Presence, you need to be physically present in a foreign country for 330 full days during a 12-month period. With Bona Fide Residence, you're establishing that your true home is abroad, which gives you more flexibility for US travel. Your answers about not paying local income tax on foreign earnings won't hurt your case - many countries have different tax treatments for foreign-source income, and the IRS recognizes this. One suggestion: make sure you can document your ongoing ties to your foreign residence (utility bills, community involvement, bank accounts, etc.) to strengthen your Bona Fide Residence claim if questioned.
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Isaac Wright
•Thanks for the detailed info! Just wondering, does it matter that they've been using the Physical Presence Test for the last 5 years before switching to Bona Fide? Will the IRS question why they're changing methods now? Also, how much more time in the US would be "safe" under Bona Fide vs Physical Presence? Like are we talking an extra month or what?
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Yara Campbell
•Switching from Physical Presence to Bona Fide Residence is completely legitimate and won't raise red flags by itself. The IRS recognizes that people's situations evolve. Just be consistent with your story - you've been living there since 2012, formalized your status in 2016, and now have recognized you qualify for the potentially more beneficial test. For time in the US, there's no specific day count limit with the Bona Fide Residence Test, which is its advantage. However, I'd recommend keeping your US time to around 2-3 months per year if possible. The key is maintaining your "tax home" abroad and ensuring your foreign residence remains your primary home. Extended US visits that look like you're gradually moving back could endanger your status. Document everything that shows your life is centered abroad - that's more important than an exact day count.
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Maya Diaz
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Tami Morgan
•How does taxr.ai work exactly? Do you just upload your documents and it figures everything out? I'm kind of paranoid about my tax info being online even though I know everything is online these days anyway.
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Rami Samuels
•Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical... does it actually check the legal requirements for Bona Fide Residence? Because that's a very specific test with a lot of subjective components. How could an AI know if you're "genuinely" a resident vs just physically present?
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Maya Diaz
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Rami Samuels
Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying taxr.ai after my skeptical comment above. I was honestly surprised by how detailed the analysis was for my FEIE situation. I've been living in Singapore for 4 years and using Physical Presence, but always worried about exceeding the day limits when visiting family back home. The tool examined my entire situation and confirmed I easily qualify for Bona Fide Residence based on my employment contract, housing arrangement, and community ties. It even identified that my employer-provided housing strengthens my case! Now I'm much more confident about spending those extra weeks in the US for my sister's wedding without jeopardizing my exclusion. The peace of mind was definitely worth it.
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Haley Bennett
If you're switching to Bona Fide, definitely get your documentation 100% solid first. After I made the switch, I got hit with IRS questions and it was a NIGHTMARE trying to get someone on the phone to clarify what was happening. After weeks of calling and getting nowhere, I found Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) and watched their demo (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) - it got me connected to an actual IRS agent in 30 minutes when I had been trying for literally weeks. The agent explained that because I had switched methods, they were just doing a routine review, and they helped me understand exactly what additional documentation they needed. Saved me months of back-and-forth and anxiety! For expatriate tax issues like FEIE questions, getting a competent IRS person on the line is absolutely crucial.
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Douglas Foster
•Wait how does Claimyr actually work? I thought it was impossible to get through to the IRS these days. Is it just another paid service that sits on hold for you?
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Nina Chan
•Yeah right, nothing gets you through to the IRS quickly. I've literally spent 4+ hours on hold multiple times this year with NOTHING to show for it. There's no secret backdoor to the IRS. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Haley Bennett
•It's not a backdoor to the IRS - they use a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When they reach a human, they call you and connect you directly to the agent. The technology is pretty straightforward but incredibly effective. You're right that there's no magic solution - they're still dealing with the same IRS phone system everyone else is. But their system can stay on hold indefinitely and try multiple strategies to get through, which is something most of us can't do manually. For my FEIE question, they got me through in about 30 minutes when I had previously wasted hours and never reached anyone.
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Nina Chan
OK I've got to eat my words from my skeptical comment above. After another failed 3-hour attempt to reach the IRS about my foreign income situation, I tried Claimyr in desperation. I still can't believe it, but I got a call back in about 45 minutes with an actual IRS agent on the line. The agent was super knowledgeable about the Bona Fide Residence Test (got lucky I guess) and confirmed that my situation with a permanent residence permit in Germany absolutely qualifies me for Bona Fide even though I'd been using Physical Presence for years. She even explained that certain European residence permits carry extra weight in FEIE determinations. Switching didn't raise any red flags in my case, and she said documentation of community ties was more important than limiting US visits. That 45-minute call saved me weeks of uncertainty.
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Ruby Knight
I've been using Bona Fide Residence for 7 years now while living in Thailand. Based on your situation, you 100% qualify. The key factors the IRS looks at are: 1. Permanent visa (you have this) 2. Housing that's not transient (your 50-year lease is perfect) 3. Community integration (you might want to document this more) 4. Intent to stay indefinitely You can absolutely spend more time in the US under Bona Fide than Physical Presence. I typically spend 2-3 months in the US each year without issues. The trick is maintaining your "tax home" abroad - keep paying bills, maintain your social ties, keep your primary bank accounts there. The only red flag I see in your situation is not paying local income tax. While this isn't a requirement, the IRS sometimes sees it as a factor. Just be prepared to explain your country's tax laws clearly if questioned.
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Ella rollingthunder87
•Thanks for sharing your experience! Really helpful to hear from someone who's been using Bona Fide long-term. For the community integration part, would things like gym membership, regular donations to local charities, and participation in a neighborhood association count? I do all those things but never thought to document them for tax purposes.
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Ruby Knight
•Those are exactly the types of things you should document! Gym membership, charitable giving, neighborhood association - all perfect examples of community integration. Also add any local bank accounts, utility bills in your name, local medical providers you use regularly, and any local clubs or organizations. Take photos of your home showing it's fully furnished as a permanent residence, not a temporary setup. Keep records of any home improvements - these all demonstrate intent to stay. If you've learned the local language, that's another huge plus. Basically anything that shows you're genuinely part of the community and not just there temporarily for work. These factors combined with your permanent visa and property lease make your case very strong for Bona Fide Residence.
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Diego Castillo
Anyone know if the 50-year lease property arrangement is good enough for IRS purposes? I'm in a similar situation in Vietnam where foreigners can't technically "own" property but can get long-term leases.
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Logan Stewart
•Yes, long-term leases absolutely count! I'm in Thailand with a similar setup. The IRS understands different countries have different property ownership laws for foreigners. What matters is that it's your permanent home, not the technical legal structure. Just make sure you have the lease documentation translated to English if needed.
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Diego Castillo
•Thanks! That's a big relief. Mine is a 49-year lease and I was worried it wouldn't qualify as "purchased house" for the form. Guess I'll check the box for purchased property then and include an explanation about the lease structure if needed.
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Maria Gonzalez
Based on your detailed situation, you definitely have a strong case for the Bona Fide Residence Test. Your permanent resident visa status since 2016, long-term property lease, and continuous residence since 2012 are all excellent supporting factors. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - when you make the switch, be prepared to explain the timing if asked. The IRS might wonder why you're changing methods now after 5 years of using Physical Presence. A simple explanation like "I now realize my situation better qualifies for Bona Fide Residence and want to use the most appropriate test" is perfectly fine. Regarding your concern about not paying local income tax - this actually works in your favor in some ways. It shows you're properly following local tax laws (many countries don't tax foreign-source income for residents), and it doesn't create any conflicting tax obligations that might complicate your US filing. I'd recommend keeping a simple log of your US visits going forward - not because there's a strict day limit with Bona Fide, but because it helps demonstrate that your foreign residence remains your primary home. The flexibility to spend more time with family in the US is exactly why Bona Fide Residence can be superior to Physical Presence for people in your situation.
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Anastasia Fedorov
Your situation looks really solid for the Bona Fide Residence Test! As someone who made a similar switch a few years ago, I'd say go for it. Your permanent resident visa and property lease are huge advantages. One quick tip - when you file Form 2555 using Bona Fide for the first time, make sure to attach a brief explanation of your living situation. I included a one-page summary with mine explaining my visa status, housing arrangement, and community ties. It probably wasn't necessary, but it gave me peace of mind and I never heard anything back from the IRS. The freedom to spend more time in the US is worth it. I went from being stressed about every trip home to being able to attend family events without constantly counting days. Just keep your foreign residence as your clear primary home and you should be fine. Also, don't overthink the local tax situation - many expats are in similar positions where they don't owe local taxes on foreign income. The IRS understands this is common with different countries' tax systems.
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Sofia Rodriguez
•This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about that one-page explanation you mentioned - what specific details did you include? I'm thinking of doing something similar when I make the switch. Did you focus more on the legal requirements (visa type, property ownership) or the practical aspects (community involvement, daily life routine)? I want to be thorough but not overwhelm them with unnecessary information.
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