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Oliver Wagner

FICA tax exemption for J-1 visa holders and Substantial Presence Test - how much time can I spend in US?

I'm in a bit of a tricky situation with my taxes and hoping someone can help clarify things for me. I came to the US from Mexico in August 2021 on a J-1 visa to work as a research fellow at a university hospital. I got my SSN in September 2021 and completed my fellowship on June 29, 2023. During my fellowship, I noticed my bi-weekly paychecks dropped from around $3100 in 2021 to about $2600 starting January 2022. I figured this was from additional taxes being withheld (Medicare, state taxes, etc.). Here's where it gets complicated - I recently learned that as a J-1 visa holder, I might be eligible for a FICA tax refund of approximately $3300 if I leave the US before hitting the Substantial Presence Test threshold. I was told July 1, 2023 is my cutoff date - if I stay beyond that, my tax status changes from non-resident to resident alien, meaning I'd have to pay FICA taxes for the entire year. The problem is, I was planning to come back to the US as a tourist in September to attend a friend's wedding. Someone told me that even entering as a tourist after July 1 would change my tax status and make me ineligible for the FICA refund, even though I'll no longer be employed in the US. Can anyone explain if this is correct? It seems strange that just visiting as a tourist would affect my tax status. And practically speaking, how would the IRS even know if I returned as a tourist later in 2023? I'm not trying to game the system, but $3300 is a significant amount of money for me right now. Would appreciate any insights from people who understand this better than I do!

The Substantial Presence Test (SPT) is indeed what determines your tax residency status in the US. Here's how it works in simple terms: For the current year (2023), you're considered a US resident for tax purposes if you were physically present in the US for at least 31 days during 2023, AND a total of 183 days during the 3-year period including 2023, 2022, and 2021, counting: - All days present in 2023 - 1/3 of days present in 2022 - 1/6 of days present in 2021 However, there's good news for you! As a J-1 visa holder, you qualify for what's called the "exempt individual" exception. For your first 2 calendar years in J-1 status, you don't count days toward the SPT. This means your days in the US during 2021 and 2022 should be excluded from the SPT calculation. So yes, you can likely return as a tourist later in 2023, as long as your total days in the US in 2023 don't exceed the threshold after accounting for the exempt days during your J-1 period. Any tourist days would count, but you'd need quite a lot of them to trigger resident status. Regarding your FICA refund - you're right that non-resident aliens on J-1 visas are typically exempt from FICA taxes. You can claim this refund by filing Form 843 and attaching a statement from your employer showing the amount of FICA taxes withheld.

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Wait I'm confused. You said J-1 holders get 2 calendar years where days don't count toward SPT. But the OP was here July-Sept 2021, and then again from July 2021-June 2023. So wouldn't that be 3 calendar years (2021, 2022, 2023)? Does that mean some of their days DO count toward the test? Also, how many days can they actually spend in the US as a tourist without messing up their tax status? Like an exact number would be helpful.

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The J-1 exemption typically applies to the first two calendar years in which you are present in the US in that status. Based on what you described, your first J-1 stint in 2020 was very brief, then you returned in 2021. So your exempt years would likely be 2021 and 2022. For 2023, your days would start counting toward the SPT, but only from January 1, 2023 until you left on June 29, 2023 - that's about 180 days. Since the threshold is 183 days when only counting current year days, you'd technically have a small buffer of a few days you could return as a tourist without hitting resident status.

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Malik Davis

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Do they help with actually getting the FICA refund too? I've been told I need to file some form with the IRS but my employer isn't being helpful with providing the documentation I need. Wondering if this service could help with that part too.

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Ravi Gupta

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StarStrider

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Omar Hassan

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Former university international student advisor here. One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that the substantial presence test has exceptions for certain visa categories. Specifically, as a J-1 visa holder in a non-student category (which it sounds like you were since you mention being a fellow), you're considered an "exempt individual" for the first 2 calendar years you're in the US. This means those days don't count toward the substantial presence test calculation. Your days in 2021 and 2022 likely don't count at all for the SPT. Only your days in 2023 would start counting. So you probably have more flexibility than you think for returning as a tourist. Also, you asked how the IRS would know if you return - they use entry/exit records from Customs and Border Protection. All international arrivals and departures are tracked and these systems do talk to each other.

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Oliver Wagner

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Thank you! This clarifies a lot. So if I understand correctly, my days from January-June 2023 would count (about 180 days), but not my time in 2021-2022 because of the J-1 exemption. And since the threshold is 183 days in the current year alone, I should technically be able to return for a short visit without crossing that line. Do you know if there's any specific documentation I need to claim the FICA refund? My former employer mentioned something about a letter, but hasn't been very helpful with details.

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Omar Hassan

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That's exactly right - you've got it! You should be fine for a short visit. For the FICA refund, you'll need to submit Form 843 (Claim for Refund) along with a statement from your employer that shows: 1) the amount of FICA taxes withheld, 2) confirmation you were on a J-1 visa, and 3) confirmation that you were a non-resident alien for tax purposes. You should also include a copy of your Form W-2, your I-94 travel history (printable from CBP's website), and a statement explaining that you're exempt from FICA taxes under the relevant IRS code sections. Many employers are familiar with this process since it's common for J-1 visa holders. If they're being difficult, specifically ask for their international tax specialist or someone in payroll who handles foreign nationals' tax issues.

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - even if you qualify as a non-resident alien and get your FICA taxes refunded, you still need to file a tax return! You'll need to file Form 1040-NR (Non-resident Alien Income Tax Return) for the income you earned while working in the US. Also, if you don't mind sharing, which state were you working in? Some states have different rules about residency and taxation that might affect your situation beyond just the federal considerations.

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Diego Vargas

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Not OP but I was in California on a J-1 and found out that CA has its own residency determination that's different from the federal rules. I ended up having to pay CA state taxes even though I was a non-resident for federal purposes. Might be worth looking into depending on your state.

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Oliver Wagner

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Thanks for the reminder about filing taxes! I've actually already filed my 1040-NR for 2022, but was confused about the FICA refund process since that's separate. I was working in Massachusetts. I did pay state taxes there, but I'm not sure if they have any special rules about residency determination that might differ from federal guidelines. I'll look into that.

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Miguel Silva

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Massachusetts follows federal guidelines for most residency determinations, so you should be fine there. The state generally recognizes the same exempt individual status for J-1 visa holders that the federal government does. One tip for your FICA refund - if your employer is being uncooperative about providing the required documentation, you can also request your wage and tax statement directly from the Social Security Administration using Form SSA-7050. This shows all wages reported and FICA taxes paid, which can serve as backup documentation for your Form 843 filing. Also, keep detailed records of your entry/exit dates from the US. The CBP I-94 website only keeps records for a limited time, so print or save screenshots of your travel history now while it's still available. You'll want this documentation both for your FICA refund and to prove your substantial presence test calculations if the IRS ever questions them. Good luck with your refund - $3,300 is definitely worth pursuing!

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