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FBAR reporting question - Does Brazil's FGTS plan need to be declared?

Hi everyone, I recently moved back to the US after working in Brazil for about 6 years. During my time there, my employer contributed to something called FGTS (Fundo de Garantia do Tempo de Serviço), which I understand is some kind of mandatory workers' fund/unemployment insurance. I'm now preparing my FBAR for 2025 and I'm confused about whether I need to report this FGTS account. The balance was around R$42,000 (approximately $8,500) when I left Brazil last year. I'm not sure if this counts as a financial account that needs to be reported on the FBAR since it's not exactly a traditional bank account that I can freely access. Does anyone have experience with this specific Brazilian fund? Does it need to be included on my FBAR filing? I really don't want to mess this up since the penalties for incorrect FBAR reporting seem pretty severe. Thanks for any help!

The FGTS (Fundo de Garantia do Tempo de Serviço) in Brazil is indeed a mandatory workers' fund that employers contribute to, and yes, it should be reported on your FBAR if the total of all your foreign accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the calendar year. Even though you can't freely access these funds like a regular bank account, the FBAR requirements include reporting on ANY financial interest in foreign accounts. The FGTS is technically held in your name, and you do have a financial interest in it, even with the restrictions on withdrawal. When reporting, you'll need to include the maximum value of the account during the reporting period, the account number, the financial institution's name, and the address. If you have any other foreign accounts (bank accounts, investment accounts, pension funds), make sure to include those as well since it's the combined total that triggers the filing requirement.

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Thanks for the info! Quick follow-up question - what if my FGTS account plus my regular Brazilian bank account together exceeded $10,000, but individually neither one was over that amount? Also, do I use the exchange rate from the day I'm filing or from the end of the tax year?

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If the combined total of all your foreign financial accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the year, then you need to report ALL of your foreign accounts on the FBAR, even the ones with small balances. It's the aggregate amount that triggers the filing requirement, not the individual account balances. For the exchange rate, you should use the Treasury's Financial Management Service rate (from the Treasury Reporting Rates of Exchange) for December 31 of the reporting year. If no rate is available, use another verifiable exchange rate and provide the source of that rate. Don't use the rate from the day you're filing.

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One important thing about FGTS that nobody's mentioned yet - you need to report the highest balance during the year, not just the year-end balance. When I lived in Brazil, my employer would deposit monthly and occasionally I'd make withdrawals for purchasing property (one of the few allowed withdrawal reasons). Make sure you go through all statements to find the peak balance. Also, if you had any other Brazilian accounts like a regular checking account at Caixa or Itaú, remember those get included in your aggregate $10,000 threshold calculation!

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What if I can't access my old FGTS statements anymore since I've left Brazil? Is there any way to check the balance history online?

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You can actually still access your FGTS information through the Caixa FGTS app or website even after leaving Brazil. You'll need your NIS number (Número de Identificação Social) which should be on your work documents. If you don't have the app, you can also request an access code through the FGTS website. If that doesn't work, you can make a reasonable estimate of your highest balance based on your salary and contribution rate (usually 8% of your salary deposited monthly). Just document how you arrived at your estimate in case of any questions.

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Has anyone dealt with reporting FGTS when you've actually withdrawn the funds? I left Brazil in 2023 and was able to withdraw my FGTS when my work contract ended. Since the account is now closed, do I still need to report it on this year's FBAR? The balance was around R$35,000 (about $7,000) before I closed it.

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Yes, you still need to report it for the year in which the account was active. So if you closed it in 2023, you would have needed to report it on your 2023 FBAR (which was due in 2024). If it was closed before 2024, and you had no other foreign accounts in 2024, then you wouldn't need to file an FBAR for 2024.

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I went through this exact same situation with my Brazilian FGTS last year! After lots of research and consulting with a tax professional, I can confirm that FGTS absolutely needs to be reported on your FBAR if your total foreign accounts exceeded $10,000. A few key points that helped me: 1. Even though FGTS has withdrawal restrictions, you still have a financial interest in it, which is what triggers FBAR reporting requirements. 2. Make sure to use the Treasury exchange rate from December 31st of the reporting year (not the filing date). 3. You'll need the CNPJ of Caixa Econômica Federal (the bank that manages FGTS) - it's 00.360.305/0001-04. 4. Don't forget to include ALL your Brazilian accounts when calculating the $10,000 threshold - this includes any regular bank accounts, savings accounts, or investment accounts you had. The penalties for not reporting can be severe (up to $12,921 per account for willful violations), so it's definitely worth being thorough. Better to over-report than under-report when it comes to FBAR!

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I've been stressing about this for weeks. One quick question - when you mention using the Treasury exchange rate from December 31st, where exactly do you find those rates? I've been looking on the Treasury website but it's a bit confusing to navigate. Also, did you end up needing to provide any additional documentation beyond what's required on the FBAR form itself, or was the standard form sufficient?

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You can find the Treasury exchange rates at the Treasury Reporting Rates of Exchange website (just search for "Treasury Reporting Rates of Exchange" on treasury.gov). They publish rates quarterly, so you'll want to look for the December 31st rate for your reporting year. If December 31st isn't available, use the closest date and make a note of which rate you used. For the FBAR itself, you typically don't need to submit additional documentation - just the information requested on the form (FinCEN Form 114). However, I'd recommend keeping all your FGTS statements and exchange rate documentation in your records in case of any future questions. The IRS doesn't require you to submit supporting docs with the FBAR, but having them organized will save you headaches if they ever ask for clarification. One more tip - make sure you're filing the FBAR electronically through the BSA E-Filing System, not with your tax return. It's a separate filing requirement with its own deadline (April 15th, with automatic extension to October 15th).

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I just went through this exact situation last year and want to emphasize how important it is to get this right! FGTS absolutely needs to be reported on FBAR - I learned this the hard way after initially thinking it didn't count since it's not a traditional bank account. A couple of additional tips from my experience: 1. If you're having trouble getting your FGTS balance history, you can actually contact Caixa Econômica Federal directly through their international support. They were surprisingly helpful when I explained I needed the information for US tax compliance. 2. Don't forget that if you had any 13th salary deposits or other bonus payments that went into your FGTS, these could have pushed your balance higher at certain points during the year. 3. Keep detailed records of how you calculated the USD amounts - I created a simple spreadsheet showing the Brazilian Real amounts and the Treasury exchange rates I used for each reporting period. The penalties for getting FBAR wrong are no joke, so when in doubt, report it. I'd rather be overly cautious than face potential fines that could be thousands of dollars per unreported account.

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This is such valuable advice, especially about contacting Caixa directly for balance history! I'm currently in a similar situation where I can't access all my old statements online. Did you have to provide any specific documentation to Caixa to prove your identity when requesting the balance information? Also, how long did it take them to respond? I'm getting close to the FBAR deadline and starting to panic a bit about having incomplete records. The point about 13th salary deposits is brilliant - I completely forgot that these would affect the maximum balance calculation. My employer always paid the 13th salary in December, so that's probably when my FGTS balance was at its highest for the year.

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@884906e3dc74 Great point about the 13th salary deposits! I'm in a similar boat with my FGTS reporting and hadn't considered how those December payments would spike the balance. For anyone else dealing with missing FGTS records, I found that if you still have your CTPS (work card) or any final settlement documents from your Brazilian employer, these often show your total FGTS contributions which can help you estimate balances. Also, the FGTS deposit rate is standardized at 8% of gross salary, so if you have your payslips you can calculate approximate monthly deposits. One thing I'm still unclear on - if my FGTS was with multiple employers during the year (I switched jobs in Brazil), do I need to report each FGTS account separately or can I combine them since they're all managed by Caixa? The account numbers were different but it's technically the same fund system.

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Just wanted to add some clarity on a few technical points that might help others in similar situations with FGTS reporting: Regarding multiple FGTS accounts from different employers - you should report each account separately on your FBAR since they have different account numbers, even though they're all managed by Caixa. Each employment contract creates a distinct FGTS account linked to your PIS/PASEP number but with unique identifiers. For those struggling to get complete balance histories, there's actually a useful workaround: if you have your "Extrato do FGTS" (FGTS statement) from when you left Brazil, it typically shows not just the final balance but also the monthly deposit history for the past 12-24 months. This can help you reconstruct the peak balance periods. Also worth noting - if you had any FGTS withdrawals during the year for permitted reasons (like home purchase or serious illness), make sure to account for these when determining your maximum balance. The highest balance might have occurred before any withdrawal, not necessarily at year-end. One last tip: if you're using estimated amounts due to incomplete records, the IRS generally accepts reasonable estimates as long as you can document your methodology. Just keep detailed notes on how you calculated everything in case of future questions.

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This is incredibly thorough information, thank you @2d3087dd5b7a! The point about reporting each FGTS account separately even when they're all with Caixa is really important - I would have definitely combined them incorrectly. One question about the methodology documentation you mentioned - when you say "keep detailed notes," are you referring to just personal records, or is there a specific format the IRS expects if they ever audit your FGTS reporting? I'm using estimates for a few months where I can't get exact statements, and I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly. Also, for anyone else dealing with this, I found that if you still have access to your Brazilian bank's mobile app, sometimes the FGTS balance is displayed there even if you can't access full statements. It might at least give you a recent reference point to work backwards from using the 8% salary contribution rate.

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