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Does FGTS in Brazil count toward the $10,000 FBAR threshold? Need help with international reporting

Hey everyone, I'm an American expat living in Brazil for the past 3 years and I'm trying to figure out my tax situation for 2025. I've got a regular Brazilian bank account that I know I need to report on the FBAR if it exceeds $10,000, but I'm confused about whether my FGTS (Fundo de Garantia do Tempo de Serviço) account counts toward that threshold. For those who don't know, FGTS is basically a mandatory Brazilian government unemployment insurance fund where my employer deposits 8% of my salary each month. I can't freely withdraw from it except under specific circumstances (buying a house, serious illness, retirement, etc). My regular Brazilian bank account typically stays under $8,000, but if I have to count the FGTS (which has about $4,500 in it now), then I'd be over the $10,000 FBAR threshold. Does anyone know if FGTS needs to be reported on the FBAR? And if it does count, do I include it in the aggregate amount when determining if I meet the reporting threshold? Thanks in advance for any help!

The FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) requires you to report foreign financial accounts if the aggregate value of all your foreign accounts exceeds $10,000 at any point during the calendar year. The key question with FGTS is whether it qualifies as a "financial account" under FBAR rules. Based on my understanding, FGTS would likely be considered a foreign financial account for FBAR purposes. Even though you have limited access to the funds, it's still an account held outside the US that maintains a financial balance on your behalf. The fact that withdrawals are restricted doesn't exempt it from reporting. So yes, you would need to combine your regular Brazilian bank account (~$8,000) with your FGTS account (~$4,500) when calculating if you meet the $10,000 threshold. Since your combined balance exceeds $10,000, you should report both accounts on the FBAR. Remember that FBAR reporting doesn't mean you owe taxes on these funds - it's just a disclosure requirement.

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So what about other Brazilian government funds like PIS? Does that also count? And do we report the balance as of December 31st or some other date?

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PIS (Programa de Integração Social) would also likely count toward your FBAR reporting requirement as it's another type of financial account held outside the US. The FBAR rules are quite broad in what they consider reportable accounts. For reporting the balance, you don't use the December 31st value. Instead, you report the maximum value of each account during the calendar year. So if your FGTS reached $5,000 at some point during the year before dropping back down, you'd report $5,000 as the maximum value.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - you also need to check if you need to report these accounts on Form 8938 (FATCA reporting) which is different from the FBAR. The thresholds are higher but if you have other assets in Brazil it might apply to you too. The penalties for missing this are even worse than FBAR violations.

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Thanks for bringing this up! What's the threshold for Form 8938 for someone living abroad? And is the FGTS treated the same way for FATCA as it is for FBAR?

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For an individual living abroad, the Form 8938 filing threshold is much higher than FBAR - $200,000 on the last day of the tax year or $300,000 at any time during the year if you're single. If you're married filing jointly, it's $400,000 on the last day or $600,000 at any time during the year. The FGTS would generally be treated the same way for FATCA as for FBAR purposes - it's considered a specified foreign financial asset. The main difference is just the reporting threshold, so you might need to file an FBAR but not Form 8938 if your total foreign assets don't exceed the higher FATCA thresholds.

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Anyone know if there's a penalty for not reporting this in previous years? I've been working in Brazil for 5 years and never included my FGTS in my FBAR calculations... 😬

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation as an expat in Germany with mandatory pension contributions. Based on what everyone's saying, it sounds like the key principle is that if you have a "financial interest" in an account outside the US, it counts toward FBAR reporting regardless of withdrawal restrictions. One thing I'd add for the original poster - make sure you're using the correct exchange rates when converting your Brazilian real amounts to USD for reporting. The IRS has specific guidance on which exchange rates to use (generally the Treasury's year-end rates for the maximum balance calculation). Also, keep good records of your monthly FGTS statements throughout the year so you can accurately determine the maximum balance. Since employers deposit 8% monthly, your balance is constantly growing, so the maximum will likely be at year-end unless there were any withdrawals. Good luck with your filing!

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Great point about the exchange rates! I'm new to all this international tax stuff and had no idea there were specific IRS requirements for which rates to use. Do you happen to know where to find the Treasury's year-end rates? And just to clarify - we use the year-end rate even if the maximum balance occurred earlier in the year, or do we use the rate from when the maximum actually occurred? Also really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. As someone just starting to navigate expat tax obligations, this thread has been incredibly educational!

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