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Do US citizens living abroad still qualify for Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction?

I've been living in Portugal for the past 3 years while running my online consulting business. All my clients are US-based companies, and I provide marketing strategy services entirely remotely. I'm getting ready for tax season and trying to figure out if I can take the Qualified Business Income deduction even though I physically perform all the work outside the US. My accountant initially said I couldn't claim it because I don't have a US "trade or business" since I'm working abroad, but then I read something about QBI applying as long as the business is connected to the US somehow. I'm confused about whether my situation qualifies since I never set foot in the US while providing these services, but all my income comes from US sources. I earned about $142,000 last year from my consulting, and being able to claim the QBI deduction would make a huge difference for me. Has anyone been in a similar situation or know the actual rules about qualifying for QBI as an expat consultant? Thanks for any insights!

The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) and Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction interact in a specific way for US citizens abroad. For QBI purposes, what matters is whether your income is "effectively connected with a US trade or business." Since all your clients are US-based, you likely have US-source income that could qualify for QBI. However, there's a catch - any income you exclude using the FEIE cannot also be counted for QBI purposes. You can't double-dip on tax benefits. You might consider taking a hybrid approach. If your $142,000 income exceeds the FEIE limit (around $120,000 for 2025), you could apply the FEIE to the maximum amount and then potentially claim QBI on the remaining portion that couldn't be excluded. This strategy often works well for higher-earning expats. Also, check if you fall under the Specified Service Trade or Business (SSTB) rules for consulting, which might limit your QBI deduction based on your income level.

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Wait, so if I'm understanding correctly, if I exclude say $120k with the FEIE, then I could potentially claim QBI on the remaining $22k? But how does this work with the QBI calculation being based on your total qualified business income? Doesn't that mean the 20% would only apply to the $22k portion?

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Yes, you've got it right - if you exclude $120k with the FEIE, you could potentially claim QBI only on the remaining $22k that wasn't excluded. The QBI deduction would indeed only apply to that non-excluded portion. The IRS has clarified that any business income excluded under the FEIE isn't eligible for QBI treatment - you can't get a tax benefit twice on the same income. So your QBI calculation would be based only on the qualified business income that remains after the FEIE is applied.

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is the QBI limitations based on your total taxable income after standard/itemized deductions. Remember that QBI is limited to either 20% of your qualified business income OR 20% of your taxable income, whichever is LOWER. If you're using the FEIE to exclude a big chunk of your income, your taxable income might be very low, which could severely limit your QBI deduction regardless of whether your business qualifies. I learned this the hard way last year while living in Thailand and had to completely rethink my tax strategy.

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Thanks for bringing that up - I hadn't even considered how the FEIE would impact the income threshold for calculating QBI. So if I'm understanding right, even if I qualify for QBI on paper, the actual deduction amount might be limited because my taxable income is already reduced by the FEIE? That definitely complicates the calculation.

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Exactly! Your QBI deduction can't exceed 20% of your final taxable income. So if you've already reduced your taxable income significantly with the FEIE, foreign housing exclusion, foreign tax credits, etc., your QBI benefit might be much smaller than expected. For example, if your qualified business income after FEIE is $22k, you might expect a QBI deduction of about $4,400 (20%). But if your final taxable income after all deductions is only $15,000, your QBI deduction would be limited to $3,000 (20% of $15k) instead. It's a calculation many expats miss when planning.

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Does anyone know if having a US LLC while living abroad affects this QBI situation? I've got a Wyoming LLC for my consulting business but I live in Germany. My tax person said something about US LLCs being "disregarded entities" for international tax purposes but I'm not sure how that impacts QBI eligibility.

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I'm in a similar situation with a Delaware LLC while living in Thailand. From what I understand, a single-member LLC is indeed a disregarded entity, so the QBI rules would apply based on your personal tax situation, not the LLC itself. The key is whether your income from US clients is "effectively connected with a US trade or business" regardless of the LLC structure.

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Actually, having an LLC might help document that you have a US trade or business, which strengthens your QBI claim. The "effectively connected" requirement looks at the economic reality, not just legal structures, but having a US business entity does create a stronger connection to the US market in the eyes of the IRS.

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Based on your situation, you should definitely be able to claim QBI on at least a portion of your income. Since all your clients are US-based companies and you're providing services to the US market, your consulting business likely qualifies as "effectively connected with a US trade or business" even though you're physically working from Portugal. The key issue you'll need to navigate is the interaction between FEIE and QBI that others have mentioned. You can't claim both benefits on the same income. Given your $142k earnings, you could potentially exclude up to about $120k with FEIE and then claim QBI on the remaining $22k portion. However, I'd strongly recommend getting professional confirmation before filing. Marketing consulting can sometimes fall under the Specified Service Trade or Business (SSTB) rules, which could limit your QBI deduction based on your income level. The SSTB limitation kicks in around $182k for single filers, so you're likely under that threshold, but it's worth verifying. Also consider whether taking FEIE on the full amount versus claiming QBI on more of your income might be more beneficial overall - sometimes the math works out better to exclude less with FEIE and claim more QBI, depending on your total tax situation.

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This is really helpful - thank you for breaking down the SSTB implications! I hadn't realized that marketing consulting might fall under those rules. Since I'm at $142k, I should be well under the $182k threshold, but it's good to know that's something to watch as my business grows. Your point about running the numbers both ways (more FEIE vs more QBI) is something I definitely need to calculate. I'm wondering if there's a breakeven point where the tax savings from QBI might actually exceed the benefits of excluding that income with FEIE, especially considering how QBI interacts with the overall tax brackets. Do you happen to know if there are any specific documentation requirements for proving the "effectively connected" status when you're working abroad? I want to make sure I have everything properly documented in case of any questions.

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For documentation of "effectively connected" status while working abroad, you'll want to maintain records showing your US business connections. This includes contracts with US clients, invoices showing US addresses, bank records of payments from US sources, and documentation of any US business registrations or licenses. Since you're providing services entirely to US companies, keep detailed records of your client relationships, service agreements, and payment flows. The IRS looks at the economic substance of where your business activities are directed, not just your physical location. For the FEIE vs QBI calculation, consider that QBI gives you a 20% deduction on qualified income, while FEIE completely excludes income from taxation. At your income level, if you're in the 24% tax bracket, excluding $120k saves you about $28,800 in taxes, while claiming QBI on $22k would save roughly $1,056 (20% of $22k at 24% bracket = $1,056). However, the actual calculation depends on your total tax situation including state taxes, self-employment taxes, and other deductions. The breakeven analysis gets complex because FEIE doesn't reduce self-employment taxes (if applicable), but QBI does reduce income tax. You might benefit from modeling both scenarios with your actual numbers.

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As someone who's been navigating expat taxes for years while running a remote business, I want to emphasize something that might get overlooked in all the FEIE vs QBI discussion - don't forget about self-employment taxes! The FEIE doesn't reduce your self-employment tax liability at all. So even if you exclude $120k of your $142k with FEIE, you're still paying SE taxes on the full amount. This is where the QBI calculation can get interesting because QBI reduces your income tax burden, but your SE taxes remain the same regardless. Given that SE tax is 15.3% on your net earnings, that's over $20k you're paying regardless of which strategy you choose. When you factor this into your FEIE vs QBI analysis, sometimes it makes more sense to exclude less with FEIE and claim more QBI, especially if you can structure things to minimize the SE tax hit through reasonable salary elections or other strategies. Also, since you mentioned all your clients are US-based, make sure you're not missing any potential business deductions that could reduce your overall taxable income before you even get to the FEIE/QBI calculation. Home office expenses, professional development, travel costs for client meetings, etc. can all add up and might change the optimal strategy.

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This is such an important point about self-employment taxes that I think gets missed a lot! I've been so focused on the income tax implications that I hadn't really thought through how SE taxes stay constant regardless of the FEIE/QBI strategy. Your point about potentially excluding less with FEIE to claim more QBI is really intriguing. If I'm understanding correctly, since QBI reduces income tax but SE tax stays at 15.3% either way, there might be scenarios where the income tax savings from a larger QBI deduction could outweigh the benefits of excluding more income with FEIE - especially if that puts me in a lower marginal tax bracket. I'm definitely going to need to model this out with actual numbers. Do you have any recommendations for how to approach the calculation? Should I be looking at the effective tax rate on different portions of income, or is there a simpler way to compare the two strategies? Also, great reminder about business deductions - I've been pretty conservative with what I claim since I wasn't sure how home office deductions work when you're living abroad full-time. Are there any specific expat-related business expenses I should be tracking that might not be obvious?

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For modeling the FEIE vs QBI comparison, I'd recommend creating a spreadsheet with different scenarios. Start with your total business income ($142k), then calculate three columns: 1) Maximum FEIE with remaining QBI, 2) Partial FEIE with larger QBI portion, and 3) No FEIE with full QBI (if eligible). For each scenario, calculate: income tax after standard deduction, SE tax (15.3% on net earnings from self-employment), and total tax burden. Don't forget that QBI is limited to 20% of your taxable income OR 20% of qualified business income, whichever is lower. Regarding expat business deductions, you can definitely claim home office expenses even while living abroad - the IRS doesn't care where your home office is located. Track coworking space fees, international phone/internet costs for business use, currency conversion fees on business transactions, and any travel expenses for US client meetings (even if virtual setup costs). One often-missed deduction is professional liability insurance, business banking fees (especially international wire fees), and subscriptions to US-based professional services needed for your consulting work. Since you're serving US clients, expenses related to maintaining US business connections (like US phone numbers, US-based software subscriptions) are typically deductible. The key is maintaining detailed records and ensuring expenses are ordinary and necessary for your business, regardless of your physical location.

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I went through this exact same situation last year as a US citizen running a consulting business from Berlin with all US-based clients. The confusion around QBI eligibility for expats is totally understandable because the rules aren't clearly explained anywhere. Here's what I learned after consulting with an international tax specialist: Your consulting income from US clients likely does qualify as "effectively connected with a US trade or business" even though you're physically in Portugal. The key factor is that your economic activity is directed toward the US market, not where you physically perform the work. However, the interaction with FEIE is crucial. You absolutely cannot claim both FEIE and QBI on the same income - it's one or the other. With your $142k income, you could exclude up to about $120k with FEIE and potentially claim QBI on the remaining $22k. But here's something many people miss: marketing consulting often falls under Specified Service Trade or Business (SSTB) rules. The good news is that at your income level ($142k), you're well below the $182,950 threshold where SSTB limitations kick in for single filers, so you should be fine. My recommendation would be to run the numbers both ways - maximum FEIE vs. partial FEIE with more QBI - because sometimes the QBI route can actually save more in total taxes depending on your bracket. Also make sure you're maximizing business deductions first, as those reduce your income before you even get to the FEIE/QBI decision. Document everything showing your US business connections (client contracts, US payment sources, etc.) to support the "effectively connected" determination if questioned.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your real-world experience with this exact situation! It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through the process successfully. I'm particularly interested in your point about documenting the US business connections. Beyond client contracts and payment sources, did you need to provide any other specific documentation to support the "effectively connected" status? I'm thinking things like proof of US business registration, evidence of marketing activities directed at US markets, or anything else that helped establish that connection? Also, when you mention running the numbers both ways, did you use any specific tools or software to model the different scenarios? I'm trying to figure out the best way to compare the total tax impact of maximum FEIE vs partial FEIE with larger QBI, especially when factoring in the self-employment tax considerations that others have mentioned. One last question - did your international tax specialist have any specific recommendations about timing or structuring payments from US clients to optimize either strategy? I'm wondering if there are any year-end planning opportunities I should be thinking about for next year.

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This is exactly the kind of complex expat tax situation that trips up so many of us! I've been running a remote marketing consultancy from various countries for the past 4 years, and the QBI/FEIE interaction was one of the most confusing aspects to figure out. From my experience and research, you should definitely qualify for QBI on at least a portion of your income. The "effectively connected with US trade or business" test looks at the economic substance of your activities, not your physical location. Since all your clients are US-based companies and you're providing services directly into the US market, that creates the necessary connection. The tricky part is optimizing between FEIE and QBI. At $142k, you're in an interesting position where you might actually benefit from excluding less than the maximum $120k with FEIE and claiming QBI on a larger portion. Here's why: if you're in the 24% tax bracket, the QBI deduction (20% of qualified income) can provide significant savings, especially when you consider that FEIE doesn't reduce your self-employment taxes anyway. I'd recommend modeling a few scenarios: 1. Full FEIE ($120k) + QBI on remaining $22k 2. Partial FEIE ($80-100k) + QBI on remaining $42-62k 3. Minimal FEIE + maximum QBI (if the math works) Don't forget that marketing consulting likely falls under SSTB rules, but you're well below the $182k threshold where limitations kick in. Also, make sure you're maximizing business deductions first - home office, international business phone/internet, professional development, etc. all reduce your income before you even get to the FEIE/QBI decision. The key is running the actual numbers with your specific situation, including state tax considerations if you maintain US tax residency anywhere.

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This is such a comprehensive breakdown - thank you! I'm really intrigued by your suggestion to model the partial FEIE scenarios. I hadn't considered that there might be a sweet spot between maximum FEIE and maximum QBI that could optimize total tax savings. Your point about running scenarios with $80-100k FEIE exclusion is particularly interesting. If I'm understanding the math correctly, excluding less with FEIE would leave more income subject to US taxation, but then I could potentially claim QBI on a much larger portion (say $42-62k instead of just $22k). At 20% QBI deduction, that could be substantial savings even after paying income tax on the non-excluded portion. I'm curious about your experience with the actual filing process for this hybrid approach. Did you run into any complications or additional scrutiny from the IRS when claiming both FEIE and QBI on different portions of the same consulting income? I want to make sure I document everything properly to avoid any red flags. Also, when you mention state tax considerations - I've been maintaining my last US address in Florida (no state income tax), but I'm wondering if there are any other state-level implications I should be considering in this calculation.

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I'm in almost the exact same situation - US citizen living abroad (in my case, Costa Rica) running a consulting business with exclusively US clients. After going through this maze last year, I can confirm that you should be able to claim QBI on at least part of your income. The key insight that my tax advisor helped me understand is that the "effectively connected" test isn't about where you physically sit when doing the work - it's about the economic reality of serving the US market. Since your clients are US companies and you're providing services into the US economy, that creates the necessary business connection. However, I learned the hard way that you really need to run the math on different FEIE/QBI combinations. In my case, with $135k in consulting income, I found that excluding only $95k with FEIE and claiming QBI on the remaining $40k actually saved me more in total taxes than maxing out the FEIE at $120k. The QBI deduction on the larger amount more than offset the additional income tax I paid on the non-excluded portion. One practical tip: make sure you're tracking all your business expenses properly because they reduce your income before you even get to the FEIE/QBI decision. I was able to deduct coworking space fees, VPN subscriptions for accessing US client systems, international wire transfer fees, and even a portion of my rent for my home office here in Costa Rica. Also, since marketing consulting can fall under SSTB rules, keep good documentation showing that your work is primarily advisory/strategic rather than hands-on creative execution, just in case it ever comes up in a review.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world example I was hoping to see! Your experience with the $95k FEIE vs $40k QBI split is fascinating and really illustrates why running the actual numbers is so important. I never would have thought that excluding less could result in better overall tax savings. Your point about documenting the advisory/strategic nature of the work versus hands-on creative execution is really smart. I do mostly strategy and analysis work rather than actual creative implementation, so I should be fine on the SSTB front, but it's good to know that's something to document proactively. I'm curious about your coworking space and home office deductions while abroad - did you run into any complications with the IRS accepting those? I've been hesitant to claim home office expenses since I wasn't sure how they'd view a foreign residence for US tax purposes. Also, how did you handle the currency conversion for tracking expenses that were paid in local currency? One more question - when you filed with the hybrid FEIE/QBI approach, did you use any specific forms or schedules beyond the standard ones to document the split, or was it just a matter of careful calculation on the regular forms?

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The IRS doesn't have any special rules about home office deductions for foreign residences - if it's your principal place of business and used regularly and exclusively for work, it qualifies regardless of which country it's in. I claimed about 25% of my rent and utilities based on the square footage of my dedicated office space. For currency conversion, I used the IRS published exchange rates for the tax year (available on their website) and converted everything to USD for record-keeping. I kept a simple spreadsheet tracking local currency amounts and USD equivalents for all business expenses. The key is being consistent with your conversion method throughout the year. As for forms, no special documentation needed beyond the standard ones. I used Form 2555 for the FEIE exclusion and Form 8995 for QBI. The "split" happens naturally in the calculations - the FEIE reduces your AGI, and then QBI is calculated on the remaining qualified business income that wasn't excluded. Just make sure your Schedule C properly reflects all business income and expenses before any exclusions are applied. The most important thing is keeping detailed records of your US client relationships and business activities to support the "effectively connected" determination if ever questioned. I maintain a file with all client contracts showing US addresses, payment records from US sources, and documentation of services provided to US markets.

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The consensus here is spot on - you should definitely qualify for QBI as a US citizen with US-based clients, even while living in Portugal. The "effectively connected with US trade or business" test focuses on economic substance, not physical location. However, I want to add one critical consideration that could significantly impact your decision: Portugal's tax treaty with the US and how it affects your overall tax strategy. Portugal has been attracting many digital nomads with programs like D7 visa and NHR (Non-Habitual Resident) status, which can provide substantial Portuguese tax benefits for foreign-sourced income. If you qualify for NHR status in Portugal, you might pay 0% Portuguese tax on your US consulting income for up to 10 years. In this scenario, you'd want to carefully model whether claiming the full amount as US income (and maximizing QBI) versus excluding it with FEIE makes more sense, especially since FEIE could potentially create issues with maintaining your Portuguese tax benefits. The math gets complex because you need to consider US federal taxes, potential US state taxes (if you maintain residency), Portuguese taxes, and how the treaty prevents double taxation. Given your $142k income level, the optimal strategy might be different than for someone in a country without favorable tax treatment for foreign income. I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who understands both US expat taxation AND Portuguese tax law, particularly around NHR status if you're eligible. The interaction between these systems could dramatically change which approach saves you the most money overall.

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