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Connor Murphy

Do I have to file taxes as a minor with under 12k income? UTMA tax questions for teen worker

Hey Reddit tax peeps! So I just started my first job at age 15 and I'm super confused about taxes. I'm only making around $11,500 for this year working part-time at the mall. Do I even need to file taxes at my age with this income level? Like does the IRS care about teenage income?? Also, my grandparents are setting up a UTMA account for me with some money they want to invest for my college. I'm trying to figure out how the taxes work on that. If there's interest or whatever from the investments, who has to pay taxes on it - me or them? And does this mess up my family's situation? We're on some government assistance programs and I'm worried this might affect that if it counts as extra income for my parents. I don't want my college savings to hurt my family's benefits. Any advice would be awesome!! This adult stuff is confusing lol

KhalilStar

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You've got some good questions here! For your work income, if you're making less than $12,550 (the standard deduction for 2023), you generally don't need to file a federal tax return unless you have self-employment income over $400 or in a few other specific situations. As for the UTMA account, the tax situation is a bit unique. The first $1,150 of unearned income (like interest, dividends) in the UTMA is tax-free. The next $1,150 is taxed at the child's rate (which is typically very low). Anything above $2,300 in unearned income would be taxed at your parents' rate (this is sometimes called the "kiddie tax"). The UTMA account is legally yours, though a custodian manages it until you reach the age of majority. It is not your parents' income, but it could potentially affect financial aid calculations for college or certain benefits programs. The rules for government assistance programs vary by program and state, so your parents should check with their benefits coordinator to understand any potential impacts. Hope this helps clarify things!

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Wait so if the UTMA makes more than $2,300 in a year from dividends or whatever, it gets taxed at the parents' rate? Does that mean the parents have to report it on their taxes? Asking because my niece is in a similar situation and I'm trying to figure out how this works.

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KhalilStar

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Yes, that's correct. For 2023, if a child's unearned income exceeds $2,300, the excess amount is generally taxed at the parents' tax rate. This can be reported one of two ways: 1. The parents can include the child's income on their own tax return using Form 8814 (called "Parents' Election to Report Child's Interest and Dividends") 2. The child can file their own return using Form 8615 ("Tax for Certain Children Who Have Unearned Income") Most families choose whichever method results in lower overall taxes. The income isn't technically the parents' income, but rather the child's income being taxed at the parents' rate. This distinction matters for calculating adjusted gross income, which can affect eligibility for certain credits and deductions. For benefit programs, this is where it gets tricky - some programs look at household income differently. The UTMA assets are legally the child's, but some assistance programs might count them as household resources.

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Kaiya Rivera

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Is this actually legit? I've been looking for something that could explain tax stuff in simple terms. Does it actually give accurate info or is it just another chatbot that makes stuff up?

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Noah Irving

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I'm a little skeptical about AI tax tools... how does it handle the UTMA situation for government assistance programs? Those rules vary by state and program, and I wouldn't want the kid to get wrong advice that messes up their family's benefits.

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Kaiya Rivera

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It's definitely legit! The AI is specifically trained on tax regulations and IRS documents, so it's not just making stuff up like some general chatbots do. It's designed to give accurate info based on the tax code. For government assistance programs, you're right that the rules vary. What it does is explain the general tax implications of UTMAs and then specifically notes which aspects might affect government assistance programs. It clearly flags when something varies by state or program and advises consulting with your specific benefits coordinator. It won't give definitive answers about every assistance program since they all have different rules, but it gives you the right questions to ask your benefits office. I used it mostly for understanding my tax filing requirements as a teen worker, but it was helpful for understanding how investment accounts work too!

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Just wanted to update - I tried the taxr.ai site, and it was actually super helpful! I uploaded some documents from my summer job and a statement from my college savings account (similar to a UTMA) and it explained everything in really simple terms. It confirmed that with income under the standard deduction, I don't need to file a return unless I had more than $400 in self-employment income. It also explained exactly how the investment income is taxed and what forms would be needed. The best part was it had a specific section about government assistance programs and explained what questions my parents should ask their caseworker. Apparently, the UTMA assets might affect some programs but not others, depending on how they count assets and whose name they're in. Thanks for recommending this - saved me a bunch of research time!

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Vanessa Chang

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Madison King

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How does this even work? The IRS phone lines are notoriously impossible to get through... is this some kind of magic or are they just pushing you ahead of other people waiting?

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Julian Paolo

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Sounds like a scam to me. Nobody can magically get through to the IRS faster than anyone else. They probably just take your money and you still end up waiting forever.

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Vanessa Chang

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It's definitely not magic or a scam! They use an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. Once they reach a human at the IRS, they connect that person to your phone number. The IRS doesn't know or care that a service was used - they just see it as a regular call being transferred. Nobody's cutting in line - the service is just handling the waiting part so you don't have to sit with your phone for hours. You still wait your turn, but you don't have to actively monitor the phone. For complex tax questions like the interaction between UTMAs and government benefits, sometimes you really do need to speak with an actual IRS representative rather than trying to interpret the rules yourself. Especially with something that could affect your family's benefits, getting the official word can save a lot of headaches later.

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Julian Paolo

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I need to apologize for calling that Claimyr thing a scam. I was super skeptical, but after dealing with tax issues for my teenager's summer job and some investments we set up for her, I finally broke down and tried it last week. I'd been trying to reach the IRS for THREE DAYS with no luck - kept getting disconnected after waiting for an hour+ each time. Used the Claimyr service and got connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes. They answered all my questions about how my kid's UTMA affects our household reporting for both taxes and benefits programs. The agent confirmed that the UTMA is technically my daughter's asset but explained exactly how it should be reported and which benefit programs might consider it household income vs. individual income. Saved me so much stress and probably kept us from making a mistake on our paperwork.

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Ella Knight

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you had any federal income tax withheld from your paychecks (check your pay stubs), you might want to file a tax return even if you're under the filing requirement threshold. This is the only way to get that money refunded to you! Even if you made under $12,550, if they took federal taxes out of your checks, file a return to get that money back. You worked for it!

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Connor Murphy

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Omg I didn't even think about that!! I just checked my last pay stub and they ARE taking out federal taxes! So even though I'm not required to file, I should do it anyway to get that money back?? How much of a refund would I typically get?

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Ella Knight

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Yep, exactly! If you're earning under the standard deduction ($12,550 for 2023), you should get back ALL of the federal income tax that was withheld. The only taxes you won't get back are Social Security and Medicare (FICA), which are about 7.65% combined. To give you an example, if you made $11,500 and they withheld $1,000 in federal income tax over the year, you'd get that entire $1,000 back when you file! Filing is pretty simple in your case - you can use the free filing options on the IRS website, and since your situation is straightforward, it shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to complete.

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For the UTMA question - just want to add that I grew up in a family on government assistance, and we had to be careful with these accounts. Different programs have different rules: - SNAP (food stamps) - in most states, UTMA accounts ARE counted as household resources if they exceed certain limits - Medicaid - varies by state, but many don't count UTMA assets for child's Medicaid eligibility - Section 8/Housing - usually counts income from UTMA (interest/dividends) but not the principal - TANF - most states count both the UTMA assets and any income it generates Your parents should definitely talk to their benefits caseworker before setting up large accounts. Sometimes there are special needs trusts or other options that don't impact benefits.

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Connor Murphy

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Thank you soooo much for this breakdown! That's exactly what I was worried about. My family is on Medicaid and SNAP, and my little brother gets some special education benefits too. I'll make sure my grandparents talk to my parents before setting anything up. Really appreciate you sharing your experience!!

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Quick tip: If your parents are concerned about the UTMA affecting benefits, they might want to look into a 529 college savings plan instead. In many states, 529 plans have less impact on benefit eligibility than UTMAs do. The 529 would still be for your education, but the account ownership structure is different in ways that matter for benefits programs. Also, congrats on thinking about this stuff at 15! I wish I'd been that financially aware at your age.

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Great questions! I went through something similar when I was 16. Just to add to what others have said - make sure you understand the difference between "earned income" (from your job) and "unearned income" (from investments like the UTMA). Your job income has that $12,550 threshold everyone mentioned, but the UTMA investment income has those lower thresholds ($1,150 tax-free, next $1,150 at your rate, then parents' rate after $2,300). One thing that helped me was keeping track of both throughout the year so there were no surprises at tax time. Your employer should give you a W-2 for your job income, and the UTMA custodian (usually a bank or investment company) will send a 1099 if there's any investment income. Also, since you mentioned government assistance - definitely have your parents check with their caseworker BEFORE the UTMA is funded. Some programs have asset limits that could be affected even if the tax situation is manageable. Better to know upfront than find out later that it impacts your family's benefits!

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