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Connor Richards

Daycare provider refusing to give 1099 for childcare tax credit - paying in cash

My husband and I have a 7-month-old daughter who's been attending a licensed in-home daycare since November. The provider cares for 6 children total including our daughter. When we started, I asked the provider if we could use Venmo or cash for payments since we rarely use checks anymore. She said cash would be fine and preferred. I've been keeping careful track of all payments in my budget app. Yesterday, I asked her about providing her EIN or SSN for claiming the childcare tax credit on our taxes, and she basically told me she's not going to be giving us that information since we've been paying in cash. I was pretty shocked. We've paid her around $4100 so far, and that would make a significant difference on our tax return with the childcare tax credit. My husband thinks we need to report this somehow, but I'm not sure what to do. We're definitely planning to find a new daycare provider - I'm giving notice next week. We're both state employees and really don't want any legal complications. I feel like she's evading taxes, but I also don't want to cause a huge conflict while our daughter is still in her care. Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?

Grace Durand

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This is unfortunately a common issue. The daycare provider is likely trying to avoid reporting the income on her taxes. However, you absolutely have the right to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit, which requires her tax information. First, don't worry about getting in trouble yourself. You've done nothing wrong by paying in cash as long as you can document the payments. Start gathering evidence of your payments - bank withdrawals, any text messages about payments, and a log of dates and amounts. You should politely but firmly explain to the provider that you need her tax information to claim a credit you're legally entitled to. Remind her that you can document all payments made. Licensed daycare providers are required to provide their tax ID information to clients. If she continues to refuse, you can still claim the credit by filing Form 8332 with your taxes, which explains that you attempted to get the information but the provider refused. You'll need to provide the daycare's name, address, and whatever identifying information you have.

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Steven Adams

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What if the daycare provider still refuses after being asked again? Can the IRS do anything to help get this information? I'm in a similar situation but my provider says she "doesn't do tax forms" whatever that means.

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Grace Durand

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If the provider continues refusing after a clear request, you should document your attempts to obtain the information. The IRS can help - you can file Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer) to report the provider for refusing to provide their identification information. When you file your taxes, you'll need to complete Form 2441 (Child and Dependent Care Expenses) and enter "REFUSED" in the space for the provider's taxpayer identification number. Make sure to include all other information you have about the provider - their name, address, etc. The IRS may contact them directly to obtain the missing information.

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Sarah Ali

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Just wanted to add something important - make sure you're not caught in the middle of her tax evasion. While you haven't done anything wrong by paying cash, consider switching to a payment method that leaves a clearer trail. Even if you continue with the same provider, maybe start using money orders or a payment app that provides records. Document EVERYTHING from now on. Take photos of your child at the daycare, keep text messages discussing care or payments, and record dates/times of drop-offs and pickups. This creates evidence of the childcare relationship beyond just the money changing hands. Also, licensed daycares typically have to display their license somewhere visible. Take a photo of it if possible - it often has their business name and license number which can help the IRS identify them if needed.

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Thanks for this advice! I've been keeping receipts and tracking everything in my budgeting app, but taking photos of the license is something I hadn't thought of. I'll definitely do that before we leave. Would you recommend sending a formal written request for her tax information instead of just asking verbally again?

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Sarah Ali

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Yes, I would absolutely recommend sending a formal written request. A simple email saying something like: "As we discussed, we need your EIN or SSN to claim the child care tax credit we're entitled to. Could you please provide this information by (specific date)?" If she refuses by email, you now have written documentation of your request and her refusal, which strengthens your position when you submit "REFUSED" on Form 2441. If she continues verbally refusing, follow up with a text or email summarizing your conversation: "As per our conversation today, I understand you are refusing to provide your tax ID information for our childcare expenses. Please let me know if I've misunderstood.

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Ryan Vasquez

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Just a heads up - the Child and Dependent Care Credit form (Form 2441) actually requires you to show that you made a "reasonable effort" to get the provider's TIN. If the provider won't give it to you, you need to be able to show that you actually tried to get it. I'd recommend sending a formal request via certified mail (keep a copy) that specifically asks for their tax ID for Form 2441 purposes. This creates a paper trail showing you made a good faith effort. When I went through this, I included a blank W-10 form (Request for Taxpayer Identification Number) with my letter, which is the official IRS form for requesting this information. You can download it from the IRS website.

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Avery Saint

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That W-10 form tip is gold! I tried this approach with my stubborn daycare provider and she actually filled it out when she saw it was an official IRS form. Sometimes they respond better to official paperwork than just verbal requests.

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This is a really frustrating situation, but you have several good options here. The most important thing to understand is that you're absolutely entitled to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit regardless of how you paid - cash payments don't disqualify you. I'd recommend taking a two-step approach: 1) Send her a formal written request (email or certified letter) asking for her EIN or SSN, explaining that you need it to claim the childcare tax credit. Include a specific deadline (maybe 10 business days). This creates documentation that you made a reasonable effort to obtain the information. 2) If she refuses, you can still claim the credit by entering "REFUSED" in the provider identification section of Form 2441. Make sure to keep detailed records of all your payments and any communications about this request. Since you're planning to leave anyway, I wouldn't stress too much about the relationship. Licensed daycare providers are legally required to provide this information to parents who request it for tax purposes. Her refusal suggests she may not be reporting this income, but that's her problem, not yours. The $4,100 you've paid could result in significant tax savings, so it's definitely worth pursuing. Don't let her tax avoidance cost you money you're legally entitled to save.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm wondering though - if the daycare provider is licensed, wouldn't there be a way to look up her tax information through the state licensing agency? Or would that information not be publicly available? I'm in a similar situation and trying to figure out all my options before I have to resort to filing with "REFUSED.

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