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James Maki

Can one disregarded entity own another disregarded entity for IRS tax purposes?

So I've been operating my small online business as a single-member LLC for about 3 years now. It's just me doing web design and digital marketing stuff. For tax purposes, I've been filing as a disregarded entity (essentially just part of my personal tax return). Now I'm looking to start a second small business venture in a completely different field (handmade furniture). I want to keep the operations, expenses, and liabilities separate, but without creating a complex tax situation. I'm wondering if I can form a second single-member LLC that would be wholly owned by my first LLC - and if both could maintain their disregarded status with the IRS? Basically, can my first disregarded entity (my existing LLC) purchase, form, or otherwise wholly own this second disregarded entity (the new LLC) while both remain disregarded for federal tax purposes? Or does this ownership structure automatically change how either entity is viewed by the IRS? I'm trying to avoid setting up a complicated corporate structure if possible, while still maintaining liability protection for both ventures. Any insights appreciated!

You've asked a good question about disregarded entities! Here's what you need to know: A single-member LLC that's treated as a disregarded entity CAN own another single-member LLC that's also treated as a disregarded entity. In this situation, both LLCs would ultimately be disregarded and treated as part of you (the individual owner) for federal tax purposes. What happens is kind of like nesting dolls - since the first LLC is disregarded, the IRS looks through it to you as the owner. So when that first LLC owns a second LLC, the IRS still sees you as the ultimate owner of both. This means all income, deductions, credits, etc. from both businesses would be reported on your personal tax return (typically on separate Schedule C forms). Keep in mind that while this works for federal tax purposes, state laws might treat these differently for things like liability protection, filing requirements, and fees. Each state has its own rules about LLC ownership structures.

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Wait, I'm confused. If LLC #1 owns LLC #2, isn't LLC #1 technically the "single member" of LLC #2? So wouldn't that mean LLC #2 is disregarded into LLC #1 (not directly to the individual)? And does this setup affect self-employment taxes in any way?

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You raise a good point about the ownership structure, but here's how it works: When LLC #1 is disregarded, it doesn't exist for federal tax purposes. So the IRS treats you as directly owning LLC #2, making both LLCs disregarded entities flowing to you personally. Regarding self-employment taxes, both businesses would typically be subject to self-employment tax since the income flows directly to your personal return. You'd generally report each business on a separate Schedule C, calculating the profits individually, but both would contribute to your self-employment tax obligation unless you've elected different tax treatment for either entity.

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One thing to consider with your disregarded entity structure - don't forget about state-level implications. I have a similar setup with one LLC owning another, and while it works fine for federal taxes (both disregarded to me), my state charges annual LLC fees for EACH entity. I'm paying $800 per year per LLC in California, so $1600 total, even though they're both disregarded for tax purposes. Make sure you calculate whether the liability protection benefits outweigh the additional state costs before setting up multiple entities!

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That's a really good point about state fees! I'm in Pennsylvania, and I believe the annual filing fee is much lower ($70 per LLC), but that's definitely something I need to factor in. Do you think the additional liability protection of having separate LLCs for different business activities is worth the extra fees in your situation?

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In my case, the added protection is worth it because one of my businesses involves physical products that could potentially lead to liability issues. I wanted to isolate that risk from my consulting business which has minimal liability exposure. For someone with two relatively low-risk businesses, it might make sense to just operate both under one LLC and maintain good insurance coverage instead. It really depends on your specific situation and risk tolerance, but don't overlook those ongoing state costs when making your decision.

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Has anyone actually formed their LLC structure this way, with one disregarded LLC owning another? I'm curious how you handled the paperwork. When filing articles of organization for the second LLC, do you list the first LLC as the member, or do you still list yourself?

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I did this last year. For the articles of organization, I listed my first LLC as the member/owner of the second LLC. But on my tax return, both businesses' income ended up on my personal 1040 (separate Schedule Cs). Just make sure all your organizational documents clearly show the ownership structure.

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This is a great discussion! I've been considering a similar structure for my photography business and a separate e-commerce venture. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you keep meticulous separate records for each LLC even though they're both disregarded entities. The IRS may disregard them for tax purposes, but if you ever face an audit or legal challenge, you'll want crystal clear documentation showing that these are truly separate business activities. Keep separate bank accounts, separate bookkeeping, separate contracts - treat them as completely independent businesses operationally even if they're connected ownership-wise. Also, consider whether you might want to elect S-Corp status for either LLC down the road as your businesses grow. Having the separate entity structure already in place gives you more flexibility for tax planning in the future without having to restructure everything.

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This is excellent advice about record keeping! I'm actually in a similar boat - just starting to explore this structure for my consulting business and a potential retail venture. The point about S-Corp election flexibility is something I hadn't considered. Quick question - when you mention keeping separate bank accounts, do you mean the first LLC should have its own account, and then the second LLC (owned by the first) should also have its own separate account? Or would it be acceptable for the first LLC's account to handle transactions for both since it owns the second? I'm trying to understand the practical day-to-day banking logistics of this setup before I commit to the structure.

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