Can officers of a Non-profit collect $0 salary while charging fees through their LLC?
I've been researching a charity that my employer might support, and I noticed something weird about their finances. According to their 990 form, the CEO and his spouse together only take about $52K in salary from the non-profit. But when I looked deeper into where the foundation spends money, I discovered they paid about $2.3M in "fundraising fees" to an LLC. When I checked the address of this LLC, it's registered to the same CEO and his spouse! The charity itself brought in around $60M last year, with $2.3M going directly to this LLC that shares an address with the CEO/spouse who are only taking minimal salaries from the non-profit itself. Is this arrangement even legal? Can fundraising fees legitimately account for such a significant portion of a non-profit's expenses? How is this not a massive conflict of interest? It seems like they're just funneling money to themselves through a separate business entity instead of taking it as salary.
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Zara Ahmed
This is actually a common arrangement in the non-profit world, though the specifics you're describing raise some red flags. Generally speaking, officers of non-profits are allowed to have separate business relationships with their organizations, but several important conditions must be met: 1) The arrangement must be disclosed on the Form 990 Schedule L, which reports business transactions with "interested persons" (including officers and directors). 2) The organization should have a conflict of interest policy, and the arrangement should have been reviewed and approved by independent board members. 3) The fees paid must be reasonable and comparable to market rates for similar services. The fact that the LLC is receiving over $2M for fundraising services does seem high relative to the CEO's salary, suggesting they might be using this as a way to extract additional compensation. The key question is whether the fundraising services are legitimate and priced at market rates.
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Luca Conti
•Thanks for explaining this. So if they disclose it, it could be legal? Would this be reported on their public 990 form? Also, what's considered a "reasonable" fee? $2.3M sounds enormous to me.
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Zara Ahmed
•Yes, the arrangement should be disclosed on Schedule L of Form 990, which is publicly available just like the main 990 form. You can check if they've properly reported this related-party transaction there. What's considered "reasonable" depends on the nature and scope of fundraising services provided. For a $60M organization, professional fundraising fees might range from 5-15% of funds raised, depending on the type of fundraising. The $2.3M represents about 3.8% of their total revenue, which is actually within a normal range if they're providing comprehensive services. The real issue is whether the LLC is providing genuine, necessary services worth that amount or if it's just a pass-through entity to avoid salary caps and scrutiny.
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Nia Johnson
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CyberNinja
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Mateo Lopez
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Nia Johnson
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Mateo Lopez
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Aisha Abdullah
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•Wait, you can actually get through to a real person at the IRS? I thought that was impossible these days. How much does this service cost? Sounds too good to be true.
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Yuki Tanaka
•I tried calling the IRS about a non-profit issue last month and literally wasted an entire day on hold. How exactly does this service work? Do they just call for you? Can't see how that would be any more successful than me calling directly.
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Aisha Abdullah
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Yuki Tanaka
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Carmen Ortiz
Former non-profit accountant here. This arrangement definitely raises red flags but isn't automatically illegal. The key issues are: 1) Did the board approve this arrangement with documented evidence? 2) Did the interested parties (CEO/spouse) recuse themselves from voting? 3) Is the LLC providing legitimate services at fair market value? 4) Is the arrangement properly disclosed on Schedule L of Form 990? 5) Are there other board members who are truly independent? The IRS is particularly interested in "excess benefit transactions" where insiders receive more value than they provide to the organization. If the fundraising services are generating significantly more than $2.3M in donations, and the cost is competitive with other fundraising contractors, this might be defendable.
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Sean O'Connor
•Thanks for this breakdown! I've been trying to find their Schedule L but having trouble locating it through charity navigator and the other public sites. Would this arrangement show up anywhere else on their 990 besides Schedule L?
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Carmen Ortiz
•Yes, there are a few other places to look. Check Part VII of Form 990, which lists compensation for officers, directors and key employees - there should be columns for reporting compensation from "related organizations." Also look at Schedule O, which often contains supplemental information and explanations. Many non-profits also post their full 990 packages (including all schedules) on their websites, or you can request it directly from them - they're legally required to provide copies of their three most recent 990s upon request. Alternatively, you can request copies from the IRS using Form 4506-A, though that takes longer. GuideStar (now part of Candid) usually has more complete 990 packages than Charity Navigator if you create a free account.
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MidnightRider
To answer your specific questions: 1) Is it legal? Maybe, with proper disclosure and board approval 2) Can fundraising fees be this high? Yes, but it depends on services provided 3) Conflict of interest? Absolutely yes, but conflicts can be managed with proper procedures I'd be most concerned about whether their board is truly independent and whether they sought competitive bids for fundraising services. Many states' attorneys general are increasing scrutiny of non-profit governance, especially around related-party transactions. If you have serious concerns, you might consider reporting to your state's charity regulator or the IRS.
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Andre Laurent
•How would you even report something like this? I'm on a non-profit board and we've been concerned about some similar arrangements our ED has, but nobody wants to be a whistle-blower.
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