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Just wanted to add that if your wife's employers aren't doing proper withholding, you might want to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. My wife was in the same situation working as a tutor, and we got hit with underpayment penalties the first year. We now just calculate approximately what she'll owe and make payments every quarter through the IRS website. Super easy and prevents the surprise tax bill.
How do you figure out how much to pay quarterly? Do you just divide what she owed last year by 4, or is there some formula? Also, do you get some kind of receipt you can use when you file?
You have a few options for calculating quarterly payments. The simplest is to take what she owed last year and divide by 4, which is what we do. As long as you pay 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding or estimated payments, you're generally safe from penalties (110% if your income is over $150,000). Yes, you get a confirmation number when you make the payment online, and you should keep those records. When you file your taxes, you'll report these payments on your return (usually on Form 1040-ES). The IRS system will match them up with your account automatically.
Has anyone actually compared filing separately vs jointly in this situation? Sometimes it can be better to file separately if one spouse has certain deductions or income situations.
I did the comparison last year when my husband had 1099 income and I had W-2. For us, filing jointly saved about $1,800 compared to separately. The main reason was that filing separately prevented us from claiming certain credits and deductions. Filing separately is usually only better in very specific situations, like if one spouse has income-based student loan payments, massive medical expenses that wouldn't meet the threshold based on combined income, or if one spouse has tax issues you want to keep separate.
The 28% withholding seems high, but remember that's not just federal income tax. Your total withholding includes: - Federal income tax (probably around 12% in your bracket) - Social Security (6.2%) - Medicare (1.45%) - State income tax (varies by state, but can be 4-6%) - Local/city taxes (if applicable) - Any retirement contributions - Health insurance premiums When you add all that up, 28% total withholding isn't unusual. Your part-time jobs might have withheld less because with lower income, you'd have a lower effective tax rate, and maybe you weren't paying for benefits like health insurance or retirement.
That's a helpful breakdown. I didn't realize all those different taxes added up like that. My state tax is about 5% and I am contributing 3% to the company 401k (they match it). I think there's also a small city tax where I live. But even accounting for all that, when I calculate it out, it still seems like my federal withholding specifically is too high compared to what my actual tax rate should be. I'll definitely check my W-4 like others suggested.
You're on the right track! The 401k contribution is actually helpful tax-wise because it reduces your taxable income, but it does decrease your take-home pay temporarily. The good news is you're getting that company match, which is essentially free money for your future. The combination of your state tax, city tax, FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare), and federal withholding can definitely add up quickly. Definitely check that W-4 form - it's the most common reason for overwithholding. Many people don't realize that the default withholding often assumes you'll be making that same amount for the entire year, which can lead to higher withholding if you haven't worked the full year yet.
Has anyone noticed that when you go from part-time to full-time, your tax rate often jumps dramatically? When I worked 25 hours a week at $16/hr, my withholding was like 15% total. Then I went full-time at the same job and suddenly it was 27%! I think the payroll systems annualize your income and calculate withholding based on what you'd make for a whole year at that rate. So they see full-time and calculate based on a higher annual income bracket.
That's exactly what happens! Payroll systems typically calculate your withholding as if each paycheck represents your normal pay for the entire year. So if you suddenly get a bigger paycheck, the system thinks "oh this person is now in a higher tax bracket" and withholds accordingly. The same thing happens with bonuses or overtime - they get withheld at a higher rate. The good thing is it usually balances out when you file your taxes, and you get the excess back as a refund.
Make sure you have good documentation to back up your claim - my friend got audited over this exact situation. Helpful things to have: school records showing your address as the kid's residence, medical receipts showing you paid for care, any documentation from the mom acknowledging the living arrangement, and a calendar showing how many nights the child slept at your house vs. hers.
Thank you for this advice. What kind of documentation would show the mom acknowledges the living arrangement? We don't have anything formal since we never went to court over custody.
Text messages or emails where she mentions or confirms the living arrangement can work. If you have any written communication where she acknowledges the child lives with you most of the time, save it. Social media posts can sometimes help too. Child support payments (if you receive any) can also establish the arrangement. If she listed you as a contact on school or medical forms, that's also useful. Even if you don't have a formal custody agreement, building a paper trail of everyday life showing you're the primary caregiver can be very convincing to the IRS.
Has anyone filed this way using TurboTax? I'm in a similar situation and the software keeps asking me about my relationship to the child and I'm not sure which option to pick.
With TurboTax, select "Other eligible dependent" or sometimes they have an option like "Not related but member of household." Then it'll ask if they lived with you for more than half the year - make sure to say yes. It'll calculate the correct credit for you. I've done this for years with my partner's kid.
Have you checked to see if your tips are "allocated tips"? Look at box 8 on your W-2. If there's an amount there, these are tips your employer assigned to you based on sales, and they don't withhold social security tax on these. You're responsible for paying the full social security tax on allocated tips yourself, which could explain the huge drop in your refund.
Just checked and there's nothing in box 8, so I don't think it's allocated tips. All my tips are reported in box 7 as "Social security tips" with $10,065. Could it be that I'm supposed to be paying extra social security on those somehow? Like both the employer and employee portion?
If your tips are in box 7 and not box 8, your employer should have withheld the correct social security tax on them. The amount withheld should be 6.2% of the combined wages (box 3) and tips (box 7). Since your tips are properly reported in box 7, you're only responsible for the employee portion (6.2%), not the employer portion. Check if the amount in box 4 (Social security tax withheld) equals 6.2% of the combined amount in boxes 3 and 7. If that's correct but you're still seeing the huge refund drop, it might be how the tax software is handling the second W-2. Try entering your W-2s in a different order or double-check that you haven't accidentally entered the tip income twice.
From what I can tell after reading your situation, I think FreeTaxUSA might be calculating something called "excess social security tax withheld." When you have multiple jobs and your combined income has had too much social security tax withheld (above the 6.2% on the maximum wage base), you get a credit for the excess. When you enter only your full-time W-2, the software might be calculating a refund of excess social security withholding. Then when you add the part-time W-2, it realizes you haven't actually exceeded the wage base, so that "excess" disappears. Try this: enter BOTH W-2s, then look at the detailed tax calculation in FreeTaxUSA and check the line for "Excess social security tax withheld" to see if it changed.
Fatima Al-Suwaidi
Don't forget about Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) if you're going to claim any benefits under a tax treaty between the US and your current country! I missed this when I first filed as a nonresident and ended up having to amend my return. Also, check if you need Form 8854 if you've given up your green card or citizenship. Doesn't sound like your case, but mentioning for others.
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢Is Form 8833 required for every tax treaty benefit? I thought there were some exceptions where you don't need to file it even if you're claiming treaty benefits?
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Fatima Al-Suwaidi
ā¢You're right - there are some exceptions. You generally don't need Form 8833 for personal services income under $10,000, or for claiming reduced withholding rates on dividends, interest, royalties, etc. The IRS has a list of exceptions in the instructions for the form. There are also some "general benefits" from treaties that don't require the form. It's the more specific or unusual treaty positions that need disclosure with Form 8833.
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Sofia Morales
Has anybody dealt with the Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) in this situation? I'm still confused about whether I can claim credit for taxes paid to my new country against my US-sourced income on Form 1040-NR.
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StarSailor
ā¢From my experience, on Form 1040-NR you can only claim foreign tax credits against income that's considered effectively connected with a US trade or business. For regular passive income like dividends and interest, you usually can't use Form 1116 to offset those taxes on a 1040-NR.
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