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Malik Thompson

Can business expenses before LLC formation be deducted for tax purposes?

Hey tax wizards! Our band finally got it together and formed an LLC this year after operating informally for a while. Previously, our bassist was just claiming all the band income on his personal taxes to keep things simple (which worked until we started making actual money lol). Here's where I'm confused - we recorded an album last fall and spent about $3,700 on studio time, maybe $1,200 on hotel stays while recording, and around $900 on other production costs. We also bought some new equipment this year - about $2,400 worth before we officially filed the LLC paperwork, and another $1,800 after becoming an official business entity. We know we can deduct any expenses after officially forming the LLC, but how far back can we go for deductions? Can we claim the recording costs from last fall? What about the equipment purchased earlier this year before filing? Is there a specific time limit or rule about what qualifies as a legitimate business expense before the official formation? We're trying to get our finances straight before tax season and don't want to miss out on deductions we're entitled to.

You're in luck! The IRS generally recognizes that businesses incur startup costs before they're officially formed. These are called "startup expenses" and can typically be deducted even if they occurred before your LLC was officially established. For expenses like your recording costs from last fall and equipment purchased before filing, you have options. You can deduct up to $5,000 in startup costs in your first year (subject to limitations if total startup costs exceed $50,000). Alternatively, you can amortize these costs over 15 years. The key is that these expenses must be directly related to your business operations. The equipment purchases would likely qualify for depreciation or Section 179 expensing, regardless of whether they were purchased before or after LLC formation, as long as they're being used for business purposes.

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Thanks for the detailed response! Quick follow-up question - does it matter that we were technically operating as a business before (with one member reporting income) even though we weren't an LLC? Also, is there any special documentation we should keep to prove these were legitimate business expenses from before formation?

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The fact that you were already operating as a business (with one member reporting income) actually works in your favor! The IRS would likely view this as a continuation of the same business, just with a different legal structure. This strengthens your case for deducting those earlier expenses. As for documentation, keep everything you possibly can - receipts, invoices, contracts, bank/credit card statements, and notes about the business purpose of each expense. For equipment, track when it was purchased and put into service. I'd also recommend creating a paper trail showing the transition from the informal structure to the LLC, like meeting minutes or an operating agreement that references the existing business operations.

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CosmicVoyager

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Ravi Kapoor

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How does this work with expenses from way before forming an LLC? Like I bought specialized equipment 2 years ago but just formed my photography LLC last month. Would taxr.ai help with expenses that far back or is there a time limit?

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CosmicVoyager

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For expenses from way back, it actually works quite well. The IRS doesn't set a specific time limit on startup costs, but they need to be directly related to starting your business. The tool helped me categorize my 18-month-old equipment purchases correctly, separating true business startup expenses from personal items. The key is showing a clear business purpose and consistent intent. Regarding accuracy, I was skeptical too! What impressed me was how it specifically flagged expenses as either immediate deductions, startup costs (with the $5,000 first-year option), or depreciable assets. It's designed specifically for small business tax situations including pre-formation expenses. My accountant was impressed with how it organized everything according to IRS guidelines for new businesses.

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NeonNinja

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For what it's worth, my accountant told me the "12-month rule" is a good guideline for pre-LLC expenses. Basically, costs incurred within 12 months before forming your business entity are generally safer to claim as startup expenses. Anything earlier can still potentially qualify, but you need stronger documentation showing the direct connection to eventually starting your business.

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Is this 12-month rule an official IRS thing or just an accounting best practice? I'm asking because I have some expenses from about 16 months before forming my LLC that were 100% for the business.

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NeonNinja

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It's more of an accounting best practice than an official IRS rule. The IRS doesn't actually specify a fixed time limit for startup expenses. They just require that the expenses be directly connected to starting your business. The 12-month guideline is something tax professionals often use because it's easier to defend expenses within that timeframe. For your 16-month expenses, you can absolutely still claim them if you can clearly demonstrate they were business-related. Just make sure you have solid documentation showing how they directly contributed to starting your business. The farther back you go, the more documentation becomes important.

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Sean Murphy

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Don't forget about Section 195 of the tax code! It specifically addresses business startup costs and says you can deduct up to $5k immediately in your first year, with any excess amortized over 15 years. For your band equipment, look into Section 179 deduction which might let you deduct the full cost in year 1 rather than depreciating.

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Thanks! How do we determine if something falls under "startup costs" vs regular business expenses? Like we're not sure if the hotel stays during recording count as startup vs just normal band expenses since we were technically operating before even if not as an LLC.

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Great question! The distinction can be tricky when you're already operating. Since your bassist was already reporting band income, those hotel stays during recording would likely be considered regular business expenses rather than startup costs - which is actually better for you because they're fully deductible in the year incurred rather than subject to the $5k startup limitation. Startup costs under Section 195 are typically for expenses before you begin operations (like legal fees to form the LLC, initial market research, etc.). But since you were already operating as a business, most of your pre-LLC expenses would be treated as regular business deductions. The equipment could still qualify for Section 179 immediate expensing regardless of when purchased, as long as it's used for business purposes.

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Nick Kravitz

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Great thread! As someone who went through a similar transition with my freelance graphic design work, I wanted to add that you should also consider opening a separate business bank account if you haven't already. Even though you can deduct those pre-LLC expenses, having clear separation between personal and business finances moving forward will make future tax seasons much smoother. Also, don't overlook smaller expenses like music streaming services for reference/research, software subscriptions, or even mileage to and from the studio. These can add up quickly and are often forgotten when calculating deductions. Keep a detailed log of everything business-related from here on out - your future self will thank you! One last tip: consider quarterly estimated tax payments now that you're generating "actual money" as you put it. The IRS gets cranky when you owe too much at year-end, and as your income grows, you'll want to stay ahead of it.

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