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Has anyone actually claimed QBI for oil royalties and been audited? I'm worried about claiming this deduction and then getting flagged.
I did claim QBI for my working interests (not passive royalties) for 2022 and 2023. No audit so far. My accountant said as long as you have proper documentation showing they're working interests and not just royalty interests, you should be fine.
That's reassuring, thanks! I think I'm going to talk to a tax professional who specializes in oil and gas before filing this year. Seems like the distinction between royalty and working interests is pretty important, and I'd rather pay for good advice now than deal with an audit later.
The key distinction everyone's mentioning about working vs. royalty interests is crucial here. Since you mentioned the trust "divides it up between all the relatives" and you're receiving monthly payments, this sounds like it could be structured as royalty interests rather than working interests. However, don't give up on QBI entirely yet. There's also Section 199A(c)(3)(B) which allows certain rental real estate activities to qualify for QBI if there's sufficient participation. While oil & gas royalties are different from rental real estate, some taxpayers have successfully argued that certain mineral extraction activities can qualify under similar principles. I'd recommend getting copies of the original lease agreements and trust documents to understand exactly what type of interest your husband's uncle held. Look for language about who bears the costs of extraction, development, and operations. If the trust or beneficiaries have any responsibility for these costs (even if minimal), you might have a stronger case for QBI treatment. Also, consider that even if the income doesn't qualify for QBI, you might still be able to deduct depletion allowances which can provide significant tax benefits for mineral interests.
This is really helpful, especially the point about Section 199A(c)(3)(B) - I hadn't heard about that potential angle before. You're right that we should look at the original lease agreements. The trust administrator has been pretty vague when we've asked questions, but I think we need to be more specific about requesting the actual documentation. One thing I'm wondering about is the depletion allowance you mentioned. Is that something we can claim even if we don't qualify for QBI? We're completely new to this type of income so any tax benefits would be helpful. Also, would the depletion be calculated based on the $3,200 we received, or would it be based on some other value? I'm starting to think we really do need to consult with a tax professional who specializes in oil & gas, but I want to go in with the right questions prepared. Thanks for giving me some specific things to look for in the documents!
Don't forget that if you can't pay the full amount right away, you can set up a payment plan online at irs.gov/payments. I had a CP14 for about $3,500 last year and set up a monthly payment plan in about 10 minutes. You'll still accrue some interest but it's way better than ignoring it and getting hit with more penalties.
The online payment plans are definitely the way to go. Much easier than trying to set one up over the phone. Just know that there's usually a small setup fee (I think I paid around $31 for the online setup), but it's well worth avoiding the headache of calling.
I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago and it was really stressful at first. Just to echo what others have said - you don't need to specify a month when making your payment. The CP14 notice will have all the information the IRS needs to apply your payment correctly. One thing I learned is that the sooner you pay, the better. Those penalties and interest really add up fast - I waited an extra month thinking I had time and ended up paying about $200 more than I would have if I'd just paid immediately. Also, if you're worried about whether your payment was applied correctly after you send it, you can check your account transcript online at irs.gov about 2-3 weeks after they receive your payment. That way you'll have peace of mind that everything was processed properly.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's a really good point about checking the account transcript online afterward. I had no idea you could do that - I've always just hoped my payments went through correctly. The 2-3 week timeline is helpful to know too. I'm definitely going to pay mine ASAP after reading about how much that extra month cost you. Did you find the online transcript easy to understand, or is it full of confusing codes like most IRS documents?
I believe the Claimyr service might actually be worth considering in certain situations, particularly if there's any unexpected delay after your DDD passes. While it's probably not necessary right now since you have a confirmed date, it could potentially be helpful if, for instance, your deposit doesn't arrive within 3-5 business days after your DDD. Sometimes there can be unforeseen complications that might require speaking directly with an IRS representative, and in those cases, having a reliable way to reach them could save considerable time and stress.
Has anyone actually needed to call the IRS after getting a DDD? I always thought once you have a deposit date, it's basically guaranteed to arrive, no? What kinds of issues could even come up at that point that would require calling?
I've had to call after getting a DDD when: ⢠My bank rejected the deposit due to name mismatch (married filing jointly but account in single name) ⢠SBTPG held the funds for "verification" for 5+ days ⢠My refund amount was reduced but no explanation code appeared on transcript ⢠DDD passed but no deposit appeared after 5 business days The IRS system is not infallible, and having a direct line to an agent can be crucial if you're in the small percentage of people who experience post-DDD issues.
Welcome to the US tax system! Since this is your first time filing, here are a few key things to expect: Your May 15th DDD means the IRS will release funds on that date, but with TurboTax's fee structure, it will definitely go through SBTPG first regardless of when fees were deducted. For CashApp specifically, I'd recommend double-checking that your account is verified for direct deposits and that the routing/account numbers match exactly what you provided to TurboTax. CashApp sometimes has stricter requirements for tax refunds than regular transfers. You should see the deposit 1-3 days after your DDD, but keep an eye on both the SBTPG portal and your CashApp notifications. The good news is that once you have a confirmed DDD, you're in the final stretch - just a few more days of patience after 4 months of waiting!
When we bought our house last year I was paranoid about this too! Our bank actually suggested using wire transfers instead of cashier's checks to avoid any holds or delays. The wire fee was like $25 but totally worth avoiding the stress of wondering if the money would clear in time!
As someone who just went through this exact scenario a few months ago, I can confirm it's really not a big deal from a tax perspective. We consolidated about $50k from my spouse's account into mine for our down payment and closing costs. No issues whatsoever with the IRS. The key thing is just keeping good records. I made sure to save copies of the transfer confirmation, both bank statements showing the money moving, and our closing documents. Having that paper trail made me feel much more confident about the whole thing. One tip though - give yourself a buffer of at least 2-3 business days between the deposit and when you need the cashier's check, just in case there are any unexpected holds on the funds. Better safe than sorry when it comes to closing day timing!
Mia Green
Don't forget about the impacts on your credit! A levy or ongoing tax debt can seriously damage your credit score, which might also affect your visa process since they often look at financial stability. As soon as you get on a payment plan, request a withdrawal of any filed Notice of Federal Tax Lien (Form 12277). This can help repair your credit faster. The lien withdrawal doesn't remove your obligation to pay the debt, but it removes the public notice which hurts your credit.
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I'm sorry you're going through this stressful situation. A few additional things to consider that might help: Since you mentioned your health condition, make sure to gather all your medical expense documentation. The IRS has provisions for financial hardship due to medical issues, and this could strengthen your case for an installment agreement or even Currently Not Collectible status. Also, regarding your K1 visa concerns - you're right to be worried about income requirements. When you call the IRS, specifically mention that you're sponsoring someone for immigration and ask them to note this in your file. Having an active payment plan is much better than an unresolved levy for immigration purposes, as it shows you're taking responsibility for your obligations. One more thing - after you get your payment plan set up, consider consulting with an Enrolled Agent or tax attorney who specializes in tax debt resolution. Many offer free consultations and can review your situation to see if you qualify for additional relief options you might not know about. The most important thing is to act quickly. Don't wait until after the levy hits - call first thing Monday morning. You still have options, and the IRS would rather work with you than go through the levy process. Stay organized, be honest about your situation, and don't be afraid to ask about all available relief programs.
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