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This TurboTax claim bugs me so much. Here's what's really happening: - TurboTax partners with SBTPG (Santa Barbara Tax Products Group) - When the IRS releases your refund, it goes to SBTPG - SBTPG takes out TurboTax fees if you chose that option - SBTPG sends the remainder to your bank Sometimes this process happens quickly and you get your money before the official DDD. But other times, SBTPG sits on it for days. I've had clients get refunds LATER than their DDD because of this middleman step. The most reliable way is to pay TurboTax fees upfront and have your refund sent directly from IRS to your bank.
Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like TurboTax's "up to 5 days early" claim is pretty misleading. Since you chose to have fees deducted from your refund, your money has to go through SBTPG first before reaching your bank account. From what I'm reading, most people in this situation get their refunds 2-3 days early at best, not the full 5 days TurboTax advertises. Your $3,780 refund will likely arrive somewhere between October 25th-27th if the pattern holds true. The exact timing depends on how quickly SBTPG processes it and your bank's deposit policies. You can track it on the SBTPG website (taxpayer.sbtpg.com) as someone mentioned earlier - that might give you a better idea of when to expect it than just relying on the IRS WMR tool. Next year you might want to consider paying the TurboTax fees upfront to avoid the middleman delay and extra convenience fee!
This is such a helpful summary! I wish TurboTax was more upfront about how the refund transfer process actually works instead of making it sound like they have some special deal with the IRS. I'm definitely going to bookmark that SBTPG tracker site and check it obsessively along with WMR š Thanks for breaking it all down in one place!
Just want to add something important: make sure your employer is withholding taxes correctly for both states if needed! My company messed this up last year and I ended up owing a huge amount to one state because they were only withholding for my "home" state. Talk to your payroll department and make sure they understand your situation. You might need to fill out multiple state withholding forms.
This is so important!! I got absolutely wrecked on my taxes last year because my employer only withheld for my home state when I was working remotely from another state for 6 months. Ended up owing $4200 I wasn't expecting. Definitely talk to payroll ASAP!!
This is such a complex area and you're smart to get clarity upfront! One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is keeping detailed records of your activities and connections in each state. The IRS and state tax authorities look at what's called "domiciliary factors" - things like where you vote, where your bank accounts are, where you have professional licenses, where your family lives, etc. Since you mentioned State B is where your "roots" are and where you plan to return permanently, make sure all these connections stay tied to State B. Don't change your voter registration or driver's license to State A just for convenience. Also, if you end up needing to file in both states, most tax software can handle multi-state returns, but it gets complicated fast. The credit calculations between states can be tricky, especially if one state doesn't give full credit for taxes paid to the other. Document everything - where you sleep each night, work performed in each location, etc. It might seem excessive now, but if you ever get audited, having contemporaneous records is invaluable.
This is excellent advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and hadn't thought about all the domiciliary factors you mentioned. Quick question - what about things like gym memberships, library cards, or church membership? Do those smaller connections matter too, or should I focus mainly on the big ones like voter registration and banking? Also, when you say "document everything," what's the best way to track where you sleep each night? Is a simple calendar note sufficient or do you need something more formal for potential audit purposes?
$20,677 is definitely on the higher end, but not impossible for 2021 COVID situations. A few things to consider: 1. **Verify your entries** - Since you mentioned being sick and having to close your business, make sure you correctly entered: - Sick leave credits for self-employed individuals - Business loss calculations - Any Employee Retention Credits if applicable 2. **Use TurboTax's built-in tools** - You mentioned having Priority Support right there on your dashboard. Their review service might be worth it for this amount. 3. **Document everything** - Keep records of your business closure dates, medical documentation for your illness, and any other supporting documents. 4. **Consider a second opinion** - For a refund this large, it might be worth having a tax professional review your return before submitting. The fact that TurboTax calculated this specific amount based on your inputs is a good sign, but double-checking never hurts when we're talking about $20K+. Better to be thorough now than deal with IRS questions later!
This is really helpful advice! I'm definitely going to use that Priority Support option before submitting. Better safe than sorry with an amount this big. Do you know roughly how long TurboTax's review process usually takes for amended returns?
That $20,677 amount definitely warrants careful review! As someone who's been through amended returns, I'd suggest a systematic approach: **Before submitting:** - Use TurboTax's "Review" feature to go through each section line by line - Pay special attention to Schedule C (business income/loss) and any COVID-related credits - Verify your 2021 business closure dates match what you entered **Key areas to double-check:** - Self-employed sick leave credit calculations (up to $511/day for qualifying days) - Net Operating Loss (NOL) carrybacks if your business had significant losses - Recovery Rebate Credits if you missed any stimulus payments - Premium Tax Credits if you had marketplace health insurance **Red flags to avoid:** - Mixing personal and business expenses - Incorrect dates for your illness/closure period - Double-counting any relief payments you already received Given the amount, I'd honestly recommend using both TurboTax's Priority Support AND getting a quick second opinion from a local tax pro. The peace of mind is worth it for a potential $20K refund. Most CPAs will do a quick review consultation for $100-200, which is nothing compared to potential headaches if there's an error. The IRS is definitely scrutinizing large refunds more closely, especially COVID-related ones, so having everything bulletproof is crucial.
This is exactly the kind of detailed tax discussion that makes me wish I had found this community sooner! I've been doing reselling for about 8 months now and made so many mistakes in my record keeping. One thing that's been really confusing me - when you're buying items specifically to resell, how do you handle situations where the item turns out to be worth way more than you thought? Like I bought a vintage camera at an estate sale for $25, then discovered it was worth $800. Do I need to report the full $775 as income, or is there some way to account for the fact that I got lucky with the valuation rather than actually "earning" that much through my business skills? Also, has anyone dealt with cryptocurrency payments? I've had a few buyers want to pay in Bitcoin or other crypto. I know I need to report the income, but do I use the crypto value at the time of sale or when I convert it to cash? And are there any special record-keeping requirements for crypto transactions?
Great questions! For the lucky find situation, you absolutely report the full $775 as income - the IRS doesn't distinguish between skill and luck when it comes to business profits. Your cost basis is $25, your sale price is $800, so your taxable profit is $775. This is actually pretty common in reselling - part of the business is having knowledge to spot valuable items that others miss. For cryptocurrency payments, you need to report the income based on the fair market value of the crypto at the time you received it (the sale date), not when you convert to cash. So if someone pays you 0.02 Bitcoin when Bitcoin is worth $40,000, you report $800 in income even if Bitcoin drops to $30,000 before you sell it. When you do convert the crypto to cash, that's a separate transaction that could result in a capital gain or loss. Keep detailed records of crypto transactions including the date received, amount of crypto, the USD value on that date, and when/how you converted it. The IRS has been cracking down on unreported crypto income, so documentation is crucial. Some people use crypto tax software to track all this automatically.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also a reseller and have been struggling with the same issues around sales tax and inventory losses. One additional point that might be useful - if you're operating as a business, make sure you're keeping detailed records of your inventory throughout the year, not just at tax time. I use a simple spreadsheet to track each item: purchase date, cost (including sales tax), sale date, sale price, and any losses. This makes it much easier to calculate your cost of goods sold and identify legitimate business deductions. It also helps if you ever get audited since you have a clear paper trail showing your business activities. For stolen inventory specifically, I'd recommend taking photos of your storage area and inventory periodically. If something gets stolen, you'll have documentation showing what was actually there. Insurance might also be worth looking into if you're storing significant inventory - it's a business expense you can deduct and protects you from major losses.
Sofia Torres
This happened to me last year! Check if your company has something called "salary continuation" or "tax equalization" in their benefits package. My company had this policy where if they made a payroll error that resulted in employee tax liability, they would cover the difference. I discovered this buried in our employee handbook after a similar withholding issue. HR initially tried to say I was responsible, but once I pointed to their own policy, they covered the entire amount I owed plus penalties.
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Dmitry Sokolov
ā¢That's actually really good advice. I work in benefits administration and can confirm many larger companies have policies like this but don't advertise them. It's definitely worth checking your employee handbook or benefits portal.
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Brooklyn Knight
I'm dealing with something very similar right now - employer error on withholding that left me with a huge tax bill. One thing that helped me was documenting EVERYTHING. Take photos of both W4 forms, print out every paystub showing zero withholding, and create a timeline of when you submitted the correct form versus when the error should have been caught. Also, don't forget that you can request penalty relief from the IRS through Form 843 if you can show "reasonable cause" - which employer error definitely qualifies for. The fact that you have a properly completed W4 on file is strong evidence that this wasn't your fault. I'd also suggest asking your employer to provide a letter on company letterhead acknowledging their error and explaining what happened. This documentation can be crucial if the IRS questions your penalty abatement request. Most companies will do this if they realize they made a mistake, especially when presented with clear evidence like you have. Stay strong - this is stressful but definitely resolvable with the right approach!
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Natasha Kuznetsova
ā¢This is really solid advice! I'm new to dealing with IRS issues but this documentation approach makes a lot of sense. Quick question - when you say "create a timeline," do you mean just listing out dates or should I include specific details about what should have happened at each step? Also, how long did it take to hear back from the IRS after submitting Form 843? I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can resolve before my payment deadline or if I need to set up a payment plan first and then pursue the penalty relief separately.
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