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Amelia Cartwright

Can My LLC Pay Me Rent for Using Half My Home as Business Space?

I purchased a 5,000 sq ft house back in 2019 with plans to convert roughly half of it into a dog grooming business. When I set everything up, my original accountant advised me to have my LLC lease the space from me personally and also pay for any business-related improvements to that part of the property. That's exactly what I've done for the past few years. Here's where things get confusing - I just switched to a new accounting firm, and their tax specialist is telling me this arrangement isn't proper. According to them, this setup is problematic because the rental income I receive from my own LLC isn't subject to self-employment tax, and they're claiming this amounts to tax avoidance. To be honest, that's exactly why my first accountant suggested this structure! I'm really confused now and wondering if my new accountants are just being super conservative about this. From my perspective, my LLC needs physical space to operate. If I rented from someone else, they wouldn't pay self-employment tax on that rental income either. So why is it different if I rent to myself? The government gets the same amount of tax revenue either way, right? Can anyone tell me if I'm getting solid advice from this new accounting firm or if they're being overly cautious? Really need some clarity before tax season!

Chris King

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The new accountant is being overly cautious. What you're describing is a perfectly legitimate business arrangement. When you own a property personally and rent part of it to your business entity (LLC), that's a common practice called a "self-rental." In this arrangement, you report the rental income on Schedule E, which isn't subject to self-employment tax. This is completely legal as long as you're charging your LLC a fair market rental rate. The IRS does look at related-party transactions, but they're primarily concerned with whether the rent amount is reasonable for your area. Your original accountant gave you sound advice. The rental arrangement creates a legitimate business expense for your LLC while allowing you to receive income as the property owner without self-employment tax - similar to any landlord-tenant relationship. Just make sure you have a formal, written lease agreement between yourself and your LLC, maintain documentation of fair market rental rates for similar properties in your area, and ensure your LLC is paying rent consistently according to the lease terms.

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Rachel Clark

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This is super helpful, thanks! Quick question though - does it matter that the LLC is a single-member LLC? I've heard different things about whether that changes the tax treatment. Also, should I be concerned about the IRS considering this some kind of "scheme" if I'm both the lessor and essentially the lessee?

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Chris King

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For a single-member LLC that's taxed as a disregarded entity, the situation becomes more nuanced. The IRS may scrutinize these arrangements more closely since you're essentially paying yourself. However, it can still work if you maintain strict business formalities and documentation. The key is ensuring this isn't viewed as a "scheme" by maintaining everything at arm's length. Have a formal written lease, charge market rates, keep business and personal finances separate, and document everything. Remember that your LLC is primarily for liability protection in a single-member situation, not necessarily tax advantages, since the income typically flows through to your personal return anyway.

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Speaking from experience running a home-based consulting LLC for 7 years - there's a missing piece here that neither accountant seems to be addressing. The real question is whether you're trying to take BOTH a home office deduction AND have your LLC pay you rent. That's where you can get into trouble. If your LLC pays you rent, then you personally can't also take a home office deduction for the same space. You'd report the rental income on Schedule E and take related deductions there. Or alternatively, if you don't have the LLC pay rent, you could potentially take the home office deduction if you meet all the requirements. It sounds like your first accountant was setting up a legitimate arrangement, but maybe your new accountant is concerned about how it was implemented? Just make sure you're not double-dipping on deductions.

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Ohhh this is super helpful and might explain the disconnect! My new accountant might be thinking I'm trying to do both, but I'm only doing the rental arrangement. I definitely report the rental income on Schedule E and don't take home office deductions for the same space. Should I specifically ask if that's what's concerning them?

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Yes, absolutely ask them that specific question! I've seen this confusion happen multiple times with new accountants taking over. They might be thinking you're trying to double-dip when you're not. If you clarify that you're only doing the rental arrangement and properly reporting on Schedule E, they might realize their concern was misplaced. Another possibility worth discussing is whether they're worried about the specific documentation you have in place. Self-rental arrangements are legitimate but they do require proper documentation like a formal lease agreement, proof of fair market value rent, separate accounting for expenses, etc. If those elements are missing, that could be their real concern rather than the arrangement itself.

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Lucas Bey

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Has anyone mentioned the possible application of Section 199A here? If your LLC is paying you rent and that rental activity qualifies as a trade or business, that rental income might qualify for the 20% qualified business income deduction. This could be another tax advantage your first accountant was considering.

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Chris King

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Great point! Self-rental income can sometimes qualify for the 199A deduction under the right circumstances, especially if the rental and the business are under common control. This could provide an additional 20% deduction on that rental income, which is significant.

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LunarLegend

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This is a really common source of confusion, and I think you're caught between two different schools of thought rather than right vs. wrong advice. Your original arrangement is legitimate, but let me add some clarity on what might be driving your new accountant's concerns. The self-rental arrangement you described is perfectly legal when done properly. You're right that if you rented from a third party, they wouldn't pay self-employment tax on that rental income either. The key requirements are: 1) formal written lease agreement, 2) fair market rent (get comparable property analysis), 3) consistent rent payments, and 4) proper separate accounting. However, your new accountant might be concerned about audit risk. The IRS does scrutinize related-party transactions more closely, especially with single-member LLCs. They want to ensure it's a legitimate business arrangement, not just tax manipulation. My suggestion: Ask your new accountant to be specific about their concerns. Are they worried about documentation gaps, audit risk, or do they fundamentally disagree with self-rental arrangements? If it's just about being conservative, you can decide whether the tax benefits outweigh the perceived risk. If they've identified actual compliance issues, those need to be addressed. Also consider getting a third opinion from a tax attorney or CPA who specializes in small business structures to break the tie between your two accountants.

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Sofia Ramirez

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This is exactly the kind of balanced perspective I was looking for! You're absolutely right that I should ask my new accountant to be more specific about their concerns rather than just hearing "it's not proper." I do have a formal lease agreement and have been using comparable rental rates from similar commercial spaces in my area, so the documentation side seems solid. But you raise a good point about audit risk - maybe they're just being extra cautious about potential IRS scrutiny rather than saying the arrangement is actually illegal. Getting a third opinion from someone who specializes in small business structures is a great suggestion. I'd rather spend a little money upfront to get clarity than worry about this every tax season or potentially miss out on legitimate tax benefits because of overly conservative advice. Thanks for helping me think through how to approach this conversation with my accountant in a more productive way!

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Keisha Brown

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to add something that might help clarify the situation. The confusion between your two accountants likely stems from different risk tolerance levels rather than one being definitively right or wrong. Your self-rental arrangement is indeed legitimate - it's called a "related party lease" and is specifically addressed in IRS regulations. The rental income goes on Schedule E (not subject to SE tax), while your LLC gets a business deduction for rent expense. This is standard practice for many small business owners. However, there are some nuances that might explain your new accountant's concerns: 1. **Documentation requirements are strict** - You need a formal lease with market-rate rent, consistent payments, and separate record-keeping 2. **Single-member LLC considerations** - If your LLC is disregarded for tax purposes, the IRS may scrutinize whether this creates any real economic substance 3. **Passive activity rules** - Depending on your level of participation, there could be limitations on deducting rental losses The key question to ask your new accountant: Are they concerned about the arrangement itself, or about how it's been implemented and documented? If it's the latter, those issues can usually be fixed. If they philosophically oppose self-rental arrangements, you might want that third opinion others have suggested. Your original accountant's advice wasn't wrong - they were likely optimizing for tax efficiency while staying within legal bounds.

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