Can I legally be both a W2 employee and 1099 contractor for the same company?
I have a bit of a complex situation and I'm hoping someone can give me some guidance. I currently work full-time as a project coordinator for a marketing agency. My company offers clients a wide range of services, but they outsource specialized work like video production, animation, and custom coding rather than having those specialists in-house. Here's where it gets tricky - I have my own LLC that specializes in video production. I've been running this business for about 3 years now, completely separate from my day job. Recently, my employer mentioned they're looking for a new video production partner since they're not happy with their current one. Would it be legal for my LLC to contract with the company where I'm already a W2 employee? The work I'd be doing as a contractor has absolutely nothing to do with my project coordinator role. I wouldn't even consider offering these video services at my employee rate - my LLC charges significantly more because of equipment, insurance, and specialized skills. Is there some kind of IRS form I can submit to get an official determination on whether this arrangement is kosher? I want to make sure everything is above board before I even propose this to my boss. Thanks for any advice!
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Nia Wilson
Yes, you can legally be both a W2 employee and a 1099 contractor for the same company, but there are important considerations to make sure the arrangement is proper. The key is that the work must be substantially different and meet the IRS criteria for independent contractor status. Since you mentioned your LLC provides video production services while your employment is as a project coordinator, this separation of duties works in your favor. The IRS looks at factors like behavioral control, financial control, and the relationship type to determine proper classification. If you want an official determination, you can file Form SS-8 "Determination of Worker Status for Purposes of Federal Employment Taxes and Income Tax Withholding" with the IRS. Be aware that this process can take 6+ months for a response, and filing this form often triggers the IRS to scrutinize the company's classification practices.
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Mateo Martinez
•Thanks for the info! If they do file the SS-8, will the IRS contact their employer? I'd imagine it would be pretty awkward if their boss found out they were investigating this before even proposing the idea. Also, are there any red flags the IRS typically looks for in these dual-role situations?
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Nia Wilson
•Yes, when you file Form SS-8, the IRS will contact the employer as part of their investigation process. They typically send a letter to the company requesting information about the working relationship, so your employer would definitely become aware of your inquiry. It's generally better to have open discussions with your employer before filing. The major red flags the IRS looks for in dual-role situations include: similar duties between both roles, working the same hours or schedule for both positions, using the same equipment or facilities, reporting to the same supervisor, and receiving similar compensation structures. They're essentially trying to determine if the contractor relationship is genuine or if it's just an attempt to avoid employment taxes on additional compensation.
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Keisha Taylor
This is actually a common situation! Yes, you can technically be both a W2 employee and a 1099 contractor for the same company, but there are important guidelines to follow to avoid IRS scrutiny. The key factor is that the work must be substantially different and clearly separate from your regular employment duties. From what you've described, your LLC provides specialized technical services that are distinct from your operations management role, so that's a good start. There's no specific form to get pre-approval from the IRS for this arrangement, but you should document everything carefully. Have a formal written contract between your LLC and the company that clearly outlines the scope of work, compensation, and relationship. Keep detailed records showing the separation between your employment and contractor work. Also make sure your LLC is properly established with its own EIN, separate bank account, insurance, and that you're treating it as a legitimate business entity with multiple clients if possible. The more your LLC looks like a genuine independent business rather than just a tax arrangement, the better.
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Paolo Longo
•So there's no form to get the IRS to say this is okay before I start? I'm worried because I've heard the IRS is really picky about employee misclassification issues. Should I talk to a tax pro beforehand? And also, should my LLC try to get other clients too, not just my employer?
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Keisha Taylor
•There's no pre-approval process with the IRS for this specific situation, unfortunately. The closest thing would be Form SS-8, "Determination of Worker Status," but that's typically used to determine if someone should be classified as an employee or contractor - not both simultaneously. Yes, having multiple clients for your LLC is extremely important. This helps establish that you're running a legitimate independent business and not just trying to avoid payroll taxes. While it's legal to have your employer as one client, having them as your only client raises red flags. I'd definitely recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in small business taxation before proceeding - they can help you structure everything properly for your specific situation.
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Aisha Hussain
I went through something similar last year with my employer. I was working as an admin assistant and they needed someone to manage their social media. I had a side business doing exactly that, so it seemed perfect! I spent hours trying to figure out if it was legal before proposing it. I found this amazing tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that analyzed my specific situation and gave me personalized guidance. It walked me through all the IRS requirements for maintaining proper separation between W2 and 1099 work with the same company. The tool even helped me draft a proper independent contractor agreement that protected both me and my employer. What I really appreciated was that it explained exactly how to maintain separate business identities and record-keeping practices to avoid any issues if I ever got audited. Definitely worth checking out if you're in this situation!
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Ethan Clark
•Did it help with setting up proper accounting too? I'm in a similar boat (IT employee who also does web development on the side) and I'm worried about keeping my finances straight if I start contracting with my employer. How do you handle invoicing and payments when you're also on their payroll system?
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StarStrider
•I'm skeptical about these online tools. How can it possibly give personalized advice without knowing all the specific details of employment agreements? Did you end up getting any pushback from HR or your accounting department when you proposed the arrangement? I'd think most companies would be nervous about this kind of setup.
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Aisha Hussain
•Yes, it absolutely helped with proper accounting setup. It provided templates for tracking expenses and income separately for my contractor work, and recommended setting up a separate business bank account if I didn't already have one. For invoicing, it suggested using professional invoicing software that's different from the company's payroll system to maintain clear separation. I send monthly invoices from my business email, not my employee email. I did face some initial hesitation from our HR department. The tool actually prepared me for this by providing documentation explaining the legal basis for the arrangement, which I shared with them. Our accounting department was mostly concerned about proper tax reporting, but once I showed them how everything would be handled separately through my LLC with its own EIN, they became more comfortable with the setup.
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Amina Bah
I was in almost this exact situation last year and found https://taxr.ai super helpful for navigating this. My day job is in HR but I also do freelance HR consulting through my single-member LLC, occasionally for the same company. I uploaded my employment contract and the proposed contractor agreement to the AI tool, and it analyzed both documents to identify potential issues. It flagged some overlapping responsibilities that could've caused problems with the IRS and suggested specific language changes to clearly separate the work. The key was making sure my LLC contract specifically described services completely outside my normal job description. The tool also suggested I document different work locations and schedules for the contractor work vs. employee work. Really helped me structure everything properly!
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Oliver Becker
•That sounds interesting but did it actually help with taxes? Like did you have any issues when filing? I'm wondering if the IRS actually accepted this arrangement without any questions.
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CosmicCowboy
•How do you handle the self-employment taxes for the 1099 income? Does it get complicated come tax time having both types of income from the same source?
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Amina Bah
•The IRS accepted my returns without any issues. The key was having clearly documented separation between my roles and making sure my LLC had other clients too. The tool helped me create documentation that would stand up to scrutiny if I ever got audited. For self-employment taxes, it's pretty straightforward. I just report my W-2 income normally, and then for the 1099 income, I file Schedule C and Schedule SE with my tax return. The fact that some 1099 income came from the same company as my W-2 doesn't change how I report it - the important thing is keeping clear records showing they were for completely different services.
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StarStrider
I tried taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and I have to admit I was wrong about being skeptical. It actually provided extremely detailed guidance specific to my situation as both an employee and potential contractor. The document analysis feature was particularly helpful - I uploaded my employment contract and job description, and it flagged specific sections that could create conflicts with contractor work. It also helped me create proper documentation showing the clear distinction between my roles. What impressed me most was that it provided case studies of similar dual-role arrangements that had been reviewed by the IRS, including which ones passed muster and which ones failed. This gave me a much better understanding of how to structure things properly. I've now successfully contracted with my employer for 3 months with proper separation between roles.
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CosmicCowboy
Just wanted to update after trying out taxr.ai that was mentioned above. I was skeptical but decided to give it a shot for my similar situation (I'm an accountant who also does bookkeeping through my LLC for my employer occasionally). The document analysis was really impressive. I uploaded my employment contract and the draft contractor agreement my LLC was going to use. The tool flagged specific clauses that created potential issues - like how my employment agreement had a vague "other duties as assigned" clause that could overlap with my contractor services. It suggested rewording both contracts to establish clear boundaries. Also recommended I use separate work equipment, different hours, and document when I'm working in each capacity. Super practical advice that my regular tax software definitely doesn't provide. Glad I checked it out before finalizing anything!
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Zoe Alexopoulos
Speaking from experience, make sure you have a solid written contract between your LLC and the company. I did this exact arrangement (W2 sales manager + 1099 training consultant for the same company) and it worked fine until there was a management change. The new manager tried to claim that ALL my work was covered under my employment and refused to pay my last two invoices, which were substantial. Because I had a detailed contract specifying exactly what services my LLC provided versus my employment duties, I was able to get paid eventually. Also make sure your employment contract doesn't have any clauses about outside employment or intellectual property ownership that could cause conflicts. Some companies have provisions claiming ownership of anything employees create, even on their own time.
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Luca Ferrari
•Thank you for this advice! I hadn't even thought about checking my employment contract for conflicting clauses. Is there anything specific I should look for besides the outside employment and IP ownership sections? I'm going to review my paperwork tonight.
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•You should also look for non-compete clauses that might prevent you from providing similar services to your employer's clients, even through your LLC. Check for exclusivity provisions that might require approval for any outside business activities. Pay careful attention to confidentiality clauses too - these can get tricky when you wear two hats with the same company. You might need to establish clear boundaries about what information you access in each role. Finally, look at termination provisions - some contracts state that if your employment ends, any other business relationships also terminate automatically.
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Jamal Anderson
Has anyone addressed the tax implications? When I was both a W2 employee and 1099 contractor for my company, I got hit with a surprisingly large tax bill. Since the 1099 income was on top of my regular salary, it pushed me into a higher tax bracket, PLUS I had to pay self-employment tax on the 1099 income. Make sure you're setting aside around 30-35% of your 1099 payments for taxes, and consider making quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. My accountant also suggested increasing my W2 withholding to help cover the additional tax from my contractor income.
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Mei Wong
•This is a really good point. I did this last year and completely underestimated the tax impact. My LLC income pushed me into a higher bracket AND I had to pay the full 15.3% self-employment tax on that portion. Plus my state treats LLC income differently than W2 income. One thing that helped me was maxing out my Solo 401k contributions from my LLC income, which reduced my taxable income significantly. Definitely talk to a tax professional before jumping into this arrangement!
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Malik Jackson
Another option you might consider is filing Form 8919 "Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages" if you believe you're being incorrectly treated as an independent contractor for work that should be employee work. But that doesn't sound like your situation since the work is actually different. Make sure your LLC is properly set up with an operating agreement, separate bank account, business insurance, etc. When I did this, I also made sure to have different work hours for my contractor work vs employee work and used my own equipment for the contractor work. Helps establish the separation.
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Isabella Costa
•Would this arrangement work the same way for an S-corp instead of an LLC? I heard S-corps have some tax advantages over LLCs for consulting work.
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Malik Jackson
•An S-corp could potentially provide tax advantages in this situation, especially if your consulting income is substantial. With an S-corp, you can pay yourself a reasonable salary (which is subject to self-employment taxes) and take the rest as distributions (which aren't subject to self-employment taxes). However, S-corps require more formalities - you'll need to run payroll, file additional tax forms, maintain corporate minutes, etc. For the dual role situation we're discussing, the same principles apply regardless of entity type - the work must be substantially different, and you should have proper documentation separating the roles. The main difference is just in how the business income is taxed. If your 1099 income is over roughly $40,000-50,000, it might be worth talking to a CPA about whether an S-corp would be beneficial for your specific situation.
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StarSurfer
Just wanted to throw in a warning - be careful about the timing of payments too. My friend tried doing this (employee + contractor) and got flagged for an audit because all her 1099 payments from the company happened right after her annual employee bonus. The IRS suspected the company was using 1099 payments to avoid payroll taxes on compensation that should have been treated as bonuses. Make sure the payment schedules for your contractor work make sense for the actual services provided.
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Ravi Malhotra
•Thats a really good point about timing! Did your friend end up having any problems with the audit? Or was she able to prove everything was legit?
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Zoe Papanikolaou
This is a great question and you're smart to research this thoroughly before proposing it to your employer. Based on what you've described, this arrangement could work legally, but there are several key factors to keep in mind. The most important thing is that your video production work through your LLC must be genuinely separate from your project coordinator duties. Since these are completely different skill sets and responsibilities, that works in your favor. The IRS uses a three-factor test to determine proper classification: behavioral control, financial control, and the nature of the relationship. For your situation, make sure to: - Have a formal written contract between your LLC and the company that clearly defines the scope of video production services - Use your own equipment and work during different hours when possible - Invoice through your LLC's business systems, not your employee email - Maintain separate documentation for each role You mentioned your LLC charges significantly more - that's actually good because it demonstrates this isn't just a way to avoid payroll taxes on regular compensation. The fact that you've been running your video production business independently for 3 years with other clients also strengthens the legitimacy of the arrangement. While there's no pre-approval form from the IRS, having proper documentation and maintaining clear separation between your roles should protect you. Many people successfully maintain dual W2/1099 relationships with the same employer when the work is truly distinct.
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Mason Kaczka
•This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "different hours when possible" part - does this mean I should avoid doing any video production work during my regular 9-5 hours? My current role has some flexibility, so sometimes I have downtime during the day when I could theoretically work on video projects. Would mixing the hours during the workday create problems with the IRS classification? Also, you mentioned maintaining separate documentation - are there specific records I should be keeping beyond just invoices and contracts? I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases if this ever gets scrutinized.
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Amara Chukwu
•Great question about the hours! You don't necessarily need to completely avoid doing video work during your 9-5, but you should be thoughtful about it. The key is demonstrating that you have control over when and how you complete the contractor work, which is a hallmark of independent contractor status. If you do video work during your regular hours, make sure it's genuinely during downtime and not interfering with your project coordinator duties. Document this clearly - maybe keep a simple log showing "Video project work: 2-3 PM during lunch break" or "Editing work: 11 AM-12 PM, no active projects as coordinator." This shows you're treating them as separate activities even if they overlap timewise. For documentation beyond invoices and contracts, I'd recommend keeping: - A simple time log distinguishing between your two roles - Records of equipment purchases/expenses for your LLC - Email communications sent from your business email (not company email) for contractor work - Any project files or deliverables that clearly show the video production work - Documentation of other clients your LLC serves to prove it's a legitimate business The goal is creating a paper trail that clearly demonstrates you're operating as an independent business when doing video work, not just taking on additional employee duties under a different payment structure.
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Amina Toure
This is definitely doable, but I'd recommend getting everything documented properly before you even approach your boss about it. The key is making sure there's absolutely no overlap between your project coordinator responsibilities and the video production services your LLC would provide. Since you've been running your video production business independently for 3 years with other clients, that's a huge advantage - it shows this is a legitimate business entity, not just a tax avoidance scheme. The IRS really looks favorably on that kind of established business history. One thing I'd suggest is creating a detailed scope of work document that explicitly outlines what video services your LLC provides versus what your employee role covers. This helps establish clear boundaries and gives you documentation if questions ever arise. Also make sure your LLC continues serving other clients even after potentially contracting with your employer - having them as your sole client could raise red flags. The fact that your LLC charges significantly more than your employee rate actually works in your favor too, as it demonstrates this is genuine independent contractor work with market-rate pricing, not just additional compensation disguised as contract payments. I'd also recommend having a conversation with your company's HR department early in the process to make sure they're comfortable with the arrangement from their perspective. Sometimes getting their buy-in upfront can prevent headaches later.
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Fatima Al-Rashid
•This is excellent advice! I particularly appreciate the point about getting HR buy-in early in the process. I hadn't considered that angle, but you're absolutely right that having their support upfront could save a lot of potential issues down the road. The scope of work document idea is really smart too. I'm thinking I should clearly outline things like "LLC provides: video concept development, filming, editing, motion graphics" versus "Employee role covers: project timeline management, client communication, vendor coordination" to show there's zero overlap. Quick question about maintaining other clients - do you think I need to have a certain percentage of my LLC revenue coming from non-employer sources? Or is it more about just demonstrating that I have other clients period? I currently have 3-4 regular clients for my video work, so I think I'm in good shape there. Also wondering if I should proactively document my current client relationships and revenue sources before approaching my employer, just to have that paper trail established? Thanks for all the practical guidance!
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Oscar Murphy
Yes, this arrangement is definitely legal and quite common! Since your video production work is completely separate from your project coordinator role, you're in a strong position. The key is maintaining clear separation between the two types of work. A few important points to consider: **Documentation is crucial** - Make sure you have a formal contract between your LLC and the company that clearly defines the video production services. This should be completely separate from your employment agreement. **Maintain business separation** - Use your LLC's business email, invoice through your business systems, and if possible, use your own equipment for the video work. Keep detailed records showing when you're working in each capacity. **The 3-year history helps tremendously** - The fact that your LLC has been operating independently with other clients for 3 years is a huge advantage. This demonstrates it's a legitimate business, not just a tax avoidance scheme. **Pricing difference is good** - Your LLC charging significantly more than your employee rate actually works in your favor, as it shows this is genuine independent contractor work at market rates. I'd suggest creating a detailed scope of work document that explicitly separates what your LLC does (video production, editing, etc.) versus your employee duties (project coordination, client management, etc.). Also consider discussing this with HR early in the process to get their buy-in. No special IRS form is needed for pre-approval, but proper documentation will protect you if questions ever arise.
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Ava Martinez
•This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm feeling much more confident about moving forward with this arrangement. The point about using my LLC's business systems for everything contractor-related makes total sense - I definitely don't want any confusion about which role I'm operating in at any given time. One thing I'm curious about - should I mention to my boss that I've done this research into the legal requirements, or just present it as "my LLC could handle your video production needs" without getting into all the classification details? I don't want to make it sound overly complicated, but I also want them to know I've thought through the compliance aspects. Also, when you mention keeping detailed records of when I'm working in each capacity, do you think a simple time-tracking app would suffice, or should I be more formal about it? I want to strike the right balance between being thorough and not creating unnecessary administrative burden for myself. The fact that so many people in this thread have successfully navigated similar arrangements gives me a lot of confidence. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!
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StellarSurfer
I actually went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago! I'm a marketing coordinator at a tech company, but I also run a freelance graphic design business on the side. When my employer needed design work for a major campaign, they asked if my business could handle it. The key things that made it work smoothly: **Get your employment contract reviewed first** - I discovered my employment agreement had a clause requiring disclosure of any business relationships with the company. Make sure you're not violating any existing agreements. **Price it like a real business** - Don't give them a "friend discount" just because you work there. I actually charged slightly more than my usual rates to clearly demonstrate this was a legitimate business transaction, not disguised employee compensation. **Document everything meticulously** - I kept a detailed project log showing exactly what work I did in my contractor capacity vs. my regular job duties. This included time stamps, equipment used, and even which email address I sent communications from. **Separate invoicing and payment** - My design work gets invoiced monthly through my business QuickBooks account to their vendor payment system, completely separate from payroll. This creates a clear paper trail showing two distinct relationships. The arrangement has been working great for 6 months now with zero issues. My employer loves having a trusted contractor who understands their brand, and I've been able to grow my business. Just make sure you maintain that clear separation at all times!
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Ava Kim
•This is such a helpful real-world example! I really appreciate you sharing the specific details of how you made it work. The point about pricing it like a real business (even slightly higher) is particularly smart - I hadn't thought about that angle but it makes perfect sense for establishing legitimacy. The employment contract review suggestion is crucial too. I'm definitely going to dig through my paperwork tonight to see if there are any disclosure requirements or potential conflicts I need to address before proposing this. One quick question - when you say you kept a project log with time stamps, how detailed did you get? Like, did you log every 15-minute increment, or was it more high-level tracking? I want to be thorough but also practical about the administrative overhead. Also, did you run into any awkwardness with your colleagues knowing you were both an employee and a contractor? I'm wondering if there were any office politics or perception issues to navigate. Thanks again for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world insight I needed to hear!
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Ravi Sharma
Based on everything shared here, it sounds like you're in a really strong position to make this work! Your 3-year established LLC with existing clients is a huge advantage that many people don't have when they start exploring dual arrangements. I'd recommend creating a simple one-page summary document that outlines: - Your LLC's business history and current client base - Clear distinction between video production services vs. project coordination duties - Professional pricing structure that reflects market rates - Proposed workflow that maintains separation (different emails, invoicing systems, etc.) When presenting this to your boss, I'd keep it business-focused rather than diving into all the IRS classification details. Something like "My video production company has the expertise and capacity to handle your needs professionally" rather than "I've researched the legal requirements for dual W2/1099 arrangements." The compliance work you've done gives you confidence, but they probably care more about getting quality video work delivered reliably. Let the professional structure speak for itself. For record-keeping, a simple time tracking app should be sufficient - just enough detail to show clear separation if ever questioned. No need to overcomplicate it. Good luck with the proposal! It sounds like a win-win situation where your employer gets trusted video expertise and your LLC grows with a valuable long-term client.
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Miguel Hernández
•This is really solid advice! I like the approach of keeping the business presentation focused on value and capability rather than getting into the compliance weeds. You're absolutely right that my boss probably cares more about getting quality video work than understanding IRS classification rules. The one-page summary format sounds perfect - it shows I've thought through the professional aspects without overwhelming them with regulatory details. I'm thinking I'll structure it around the business benefits: established track record, specialized expertise, dedicated equipment and software, plus the convenience of working with someone who already understands the company culture and brand standards. Your point about letting the professional structure speak for itself really resonates. If I present it as a legitimate business opportunity (which it is), rather than an employee looking for extra work, it frames the entire conversation differently. I'm feeling much more confident about moving forward after reading everyone's experiences and advice in this thread. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world examples - it's incredibly helpful to know this arrangement works well when structured properly!
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Ethan Wilson
This is a really well-thought-out question, and you're absolutely right to research this thoroughly before approaching your employer. Based on your situation, this arrangement should work perfectly fine legally. The key factors working in your favor are: **Truly separate work** - Video production is completely different from project coordination. The IRS looks at whether the work is substantially different, and you clearly pass that test. **Established business history** - Your LLC has been operating independently for 3 years with other clients. This is huge for establishing legitimacy and showing it's not just a tax avoidance scheme. **Market-rate pricing** - The fact that your LLC charges significantly more than your employee rate actually helps demonstrate this is genuine independent contractor work. **Different skill sets and equipment** - Video production requires specialized skills and equipment that your regular job doesn't involve. For documentation, make sure to: - Create a formal written contract between your LLC and the company - Use your business email and invoicing systems for all contractor work - Keep records showing when you're working in each capacity - Continue serving your other clients to maintain the independent business nature You don't need any special IRS pre-approval forms. Form SS-8 exists for worker classification questions, but it takes 6+ months and alerts your employer to the inquiry, so it's not practical for your situation. The biggest thing is maintaining clear separation between your two roles. Since the work is genuinely different and you have an established business, you should be in great shape. Good luck with the proposal!
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Angelica Smith
•This is really encouraging to hear! I appreciate you breaking down all the factors that work in my favor - it helps me feel more confident about the legitimacy of this arrangement. The point about market-rate pricing being beneficial is something I hadn't fully considered, but it makes perfect sense from a compliance perspective. I'm definitely going to focus on creating that formal written contract and maintaining strict separation between my roles. The advice about continuing to serve other clients is important too - I want to make sure my LLC always looks like a genuine independent business rather than just a side arrangement with my employer. One question: when you mention keeping records of when I'm working in each capacity, do you think a simple digital log would suffice, or should I be more formal about it? I'm trying to balance thoroughness with practicality. Also, I'm curious about the timing of approaching my boss versus getting all the documentation prepared first. Should I have the contract template and business processes figured out before the initial conversation, or is it okay to propose the idea first and then work out the details if they're interested? Thanks for the comprehensive guidance - this thread has been incredibly helpful!
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Sophia Miller
•A simple digital log should be perfectly adequate for record-keeping purposes. You don't need anything overly formal - just enough detail to show clear separation between your roles if ever questioned. Something like a basic spreadsheet or even a notes app where you track "Video editing work for Project X: 2-4 PM" versus "Project coordination meeting: 10-11 AM" would suffice. The key is consistency and showing intentional separation. For timing, I'd recommend having at least a rough framework ready before the initial conversation. You don't need a fully executed contract, but having a basic scope of services document and understanding of your pricing structure shows you've thought it through professionally. This demonstrates you're approaching it as a legitimate business opportunity rather than just asking for extra work. You could structure the initial conversation around your LLC's capabilities and how they align with the company's video production needs, then work out the specific contract details if they express interest. Having that foundation prepared makes you look more professional and gives them confidence you can handle the business relationship properly.
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Mei-Ling Chen
This is such a great question and you're being really smart to research this thoroughly beforehand! As someone who works in tax compliance, I see these dual-role situations come up fairly often, and when structured properly, they work out just fine. Your situation actually has several strong factors going for it. The fact that your LLC has been operating independently for 3 years with other clients is huge - it clearly establishes that this is a legitimate business, not just a way to restructure employee compensation. The work being completely different (video production vs. project coordination) also helps a lot with the IRS's "substantially different work" test. A few practical tips based on what I've seen work well: **Documentation is key** - Create a detailed scope of work that clearly separates what your LLC provides versus your employee duties. This becomes your roadmap for maintaining proper separation. **Maintain business formalities** - Use your LLC's business email, invoice through your business accounting system, and keep your contractor work equipment/software separate from what you use as an employee. **Continue diversifying clients** - Keep serving your other clients even after potentially adding your employer. Having them as just one client among several really strengthens the independent contractor relationship. The pricing difference you mentioned (LLC charging more) actually works in your favor too - it demonstrates this is market-rate professional work, not disguised employee compensation. No special IRS pre-approval needed, just make sure you maintain that clear separation between roles. Good luck with your proposal!
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Freya Pedersen
•This is really helpful perspective from someone who works in tax compliance! I feel much more confident hearing that you see these arrangements work out fine when structured properly. The point about maintaining business formalities really resonates - I want to make sure there's never any confusion about which capacity I'm operating in. I'm curious about something you mentioned regarding the "substantially different work" test. Are there any gray areas I should be aware of? For example, my project coordinator role sometimes involves reviewing creative deliverables from vendors. Would there be any issue if my LLC's video work eventually gets reviewed by me in my employee capacity, or should I make sure someone else handles that review process to avoid any overlap? Also, when you mention continuing to diversify clients, do you think there's a minimum percentage of revenue that should come from non-employer sources to maintain the independent contractor relationship? I currently have 3-4 regular clients, so I think I'm in good shape, but I want to make sure I understand the best practices. Thanks for sharing your professional insights - it's really valuable to get perspective from someone who sees how these situations play out in practice!
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Andre Dupont
•That's a really thoughtful question about potential overlap! For the creative review scenario you mentioned, I'd definitely recommend having someone else handle the review of your LLC's video deliverables in your employee capacity. Even though the work itself is substantially different, having the same person both create and approve the work could blur the lines of independence that you want to maintain. You could suggest that your direct supervisor or another team member handle the review and approval process for your LLC's deliverables. This actually makes good business sense anyway - it provides an objective perspective and maintains proper checks and balances. Regarding revenue percentages, there's no hard IRS rule about specific percentages that must come from other clients, but having your employer represent less than 80% of your LLC's total revenue is generally considered a safe practice. Since you already have 3-4 regular clients, you're likely in good shape as long as you don't let the employer become your dominant revenue source. The key is demonstrating that your LLC operates as an independent business serving multiple clients, rather than being economically dependent on just one client (even if that client happens to also be your employer). Keep those other client relationships active and continue marketing your services to maintain that independence.
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Victoria Charity
This is a really solid situation you're describing! Having an established LLC with 3 years of operating history and existing clients puts you in an excellent position to make this work legally and professionally. The key thing that stands out to me is that your video production work is genuinely different from your project coordination role - this isn't a gray area situation where you're trying to reclassify similar work. The IRS really focuses on whether the contractor work is "substantially different" from employee duties, and you clearly meet that standard. A few suggestions as you move forward: **Start with your employment contract** - Review it carefully for any clauses about outside business activities, intellectual property ownership, or disclosure requirements. Better to identify any potential conflicts now rather than after proposing the arrangement. **Document your LLC's independence** - Since you already have other clients and have been operating for 3 years, make sure you have good records showing this is a legitimate independent business. This history will be your strongest defense if questions ever arise. **Plan the business relationship carefully** - When you do propose this to your boss, frame it as your established video production company offering services, not as an employee looking for additional work. The professional positioning matters. **Maintain clear separation** - Use your business email, invoice through your LLC's accounting system, and keep detailed records of when you're working in each capacity. The fact that your LLC charges significantly more than your employee rate actually works in your favor - it demonstrates this is genuine market-rate professional work. Good luck with the proposal!
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