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Emma Wilson

Can I deduct management fees and operating expenses (box 13, code W) from my partnership K-1 on my personal return?

I'm really confused about some items on my K-1 from a partnership investment I got into last year. In box 13, code W, there are some substantial amounts listed as "management fees and operating expenses incurred for the production of income." The partnership is a real estate investment group I joined with some colleagues, and these fees seem pretty significant (about $8,400). My tax software isn't giving me a clear answer on whether I can deduct these expenses on my personal return or if they're already factored into the partnership income that's being passed through to me. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Am I able to claim these box 13, code W items as deductions somewhere on my 1040? I don't want to miss out on legitimate deductions, but I also don't want to double-dip if they're already accounted for. Thanks for any guidance!

These box 13, code W items from your K-1 are what we call Section 212 expenses, which relate to expenses for the production or collection of income. Prior to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), these would have been deductible as miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% AGI floor on Schedule A. However, under current tax law (through 2025), these deductions have been suspended. You cannot claim these management fees and operating expenses on your personal tax return as itemized deductions anymore. The partnership is passing these expenses to you for informational purposes, but unfortunately, they're not currently deductible on your personal return. The only exception would be if these expenses were related to a rental real estate activity where you actively participate - in that case, they might be deductible on Schedule E. But based on your description, these appear to be investment management expenses which are currently suspended as personal deductions.

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Wait, so does that mean these expenses are completely worthless to me tax-wise? Or is the partnership already accounting for them somewhere else on the K-1 that affects my taxable income?

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The partnership has likely already factored these expenses into calculating the partnership's overall income or loss that's reported to you in box 1 (ordinary business income). The box 13, code W is provided for informational purposes, partly because these expenses might become deductible again after 2025 when the TCJA provisions expire. The partnership is required to separately state these amounts so you'll have the information if tax laws change or for state tax purposes, as some states might still allow these deductions even though they're suspended at the federal level. So they're not "worthless" information, but they don't provide an additional deduction on your federal return currently.

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Something no one's mentioned yet - check if you're subject to Net Investment Income Tax. If you are, some of these management fees might offset your investment income for NIIT purposes even though they're not deductible on Schedule A anymore. IRS Notice 2013-71 suggests this might be possible in some cases. Also, if your partnership investment is related to a business you materially participate in, you might be able to treat those expenses differently. Depends entirely on your specific situation.

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Could you explain a bit more about how these expenses might offset NIIT? I'm paying that tax because of some investment property income and didn't know any of these fees could potentially help reduce it.

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The Net Investment Income Tax calculations allow certain expenses that are "properly allocable" to investment income to be deducted when figuring your net investment income, even if those same expenses aren't deductible elsewhere on your return. So if these management fees and operating expenses in box 13, code W are directly related to the production of income that's subject to NIIT (investment income, passive activity income, etc.), you may be able to use them to reduce your NIIT liability. You would report this on Form 8960. It's a bit complex and depends on your specific situation, so if you have significant NIIT liability, it might be worth consulting with a tax professional who can review your complete K-1 and other investment information.

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Has anyone successfully deducted these box 13, code W expenses on their state returns? I'm in New York and wonder if I'm missing out on state-level deductions even though they're suspended federally.

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In NY, you can still deduct these as miscellaneous itemized deductions if you itemize on your state return. NY didn't conform to the TCJA changes on this specific provision. I claimed similar K-1 investment expenses last year on my NY return and saved about $340 in state taxes.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with the exact same situation with my partnership K-1 showing those box 13, code W expenses. Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like I need to: 1. Accept that these aren't federally deductible right now due to TCJA 2. Check if my state still allows them (I'm in Pennsylvania) 3. Track them for basis purposes and potential future deductibility after 2025 4. See if they might help with NIIT calculations since I do pay that tax One follow-up question - when you all say "track them for basis purposes," does that mean I should be adding these amounts to my partnership basis somehow? I want to make sure I'm not missing something important for when I eventually sell my partnership interest. The partnership doesn't seem to provide much guidance on this in their year-end materials. Thanks for all the insights - this community is way more helpful than trying to decipher IRS publications on my own!

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Great summary of the key points! For the basis tracking question - yes, you should be keeping records of these box 13, code W expenses, but they don't directly increase your partnership basis like capital contributions would. Instead, they're important for calculating your overall economic gain/loss when you eventually dispose of your partnership interest. The partnership should be accounting for these expenses in their books, which affects the partnership's basis in its assets. When you sell your interest, the difference between your sale price and your adjusted basis (which reflects your share of the partnership's economic performance including these expenses) determines your gain or loss. Pennsylvania does still allow miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% AGI floor, so you should be able to claim these on your PA return if you itemize. Definitely worth checking since PA taxes can be substantial! Keep good records of all these amounts from each year's K-1 - you'll thank yourself later when it's time to calculate your gain/loss on disposition of the partnership interest.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar K-1 situation and wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant for some folks here. If your partnership is involved in oil, gas, or other natural resource activities, some of those box 13, code W expenses might actually be depletion-related costs that could be handled differently. I learned this the hard way when I assumed all my box 13 expenses were the same suspended miscellaneous deductions. Also, for anyone tracking these expenses for future deductibility after 2025 - make sure you're also keeping records of any AMT adjustments related to these items. Some partnership expenses that aren't deductible for regular tax purposes might still affect your alternative minimum tax calculations, and you'll want that documentation if the rules change again. One last tip: if you're working with a tax professional, bring them the entire K-1 instructions booklet that came with your K-1, not just the form itself. Those instructions often contain partnership-specific explanations for the various codes that can be really helpful in determining the exact nature of your box 13 items.

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This is such valuable additional context! The point about natural resource partnerships is especially important - I hadn't considered that some box 13, code W expenses might have different treatment depending on the underlying business activity. Your mention of AMT implications is also spot-on. Even though individual AMT has much less impact post-TCJA due to the higher exemption amounts, it's still worth tracking these items since partnership investments can generate various preference items that might push you into AMT territory. The tip about bringing the full K-1 instructions booklet to your tax preparer is gold. I made the mistake of just handing over the K-1 form itself last year, and we missed some nuances that were clearly explained in the partnership-specific instructions that came with it. For anyone else reading this thread - it's also worth noting that if you have multiple partnership interests, each partnership might classify similar expenses with different box 13 codes depending on their specific activities and how their accountants interpret the reporting requirements. So don't assume all your "management fees" will be treated identically across different K-1s.

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who's been wrestling with these same box 13, code W expenses from my real estate partnership K-1, I wanted to share what I learned from my state tax research. For those asking about state deductibility - it's really worth checking your specific state's conformity rules. I'm in Illinois, and while IL generally conforms to federal tax changes, they specifically chose NOT to suspend miscellaneous itemized deductions for state purposes. So I was able to deduct my $6,200 in management fees on my IL-1040, saving me about $310 in state taxes. The key is understanding that each state made its own decision about whether to conform to the TCJA changes. States like California, New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois maintained these deductions, while others followed the federal suspension. Don't assume either way - check your state's specific rules or consult their tax website. Also, for those tracking these expenses for future years - I created a simple spreadsheet with columns for the tax year, partnership name, amount, and notes about the specific nature of the expenses. When 2026 rolls around and these become federally deductible again, you'll have a clean record of everything you've accumulated over the years. One more thing - if you're in a state that still allows these deductions, make sure you're actually itemizing on your state return. Some states require you to itemize state even if you take the standard deduction federally, which could make these partnership expenses valuable even if your other itemized deductions aren't high enough to beat the federal standard deduction.

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This is incredibly helpful information about state-specific rules! I'm just getting started with understanding K-1s (this is my first year with partnership investments), and I had no idea that states could choose whether or not to follow federal tax law changes like this. Your point about needing to itemize on the state return even when taking the federal standard deduction is something I never would have thought of. I'm in Texas so we don't have state income tax, but this is great to know for future reference if I ever move. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up now rather than trying to reconstruct everything in a few years when the rules change back. Do you happen to track anything else in your spreadsheet beyond what you mentioned, like which specific box 13 codes the expenses came from or whether they might qualify for NIIT offset? Thanks for sharing your research process - as a newcomer to all this, it's really helpful to see how more experienced investors approach tracking these complex tax items!

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